Update after 'GUTTED' thread :)

NiknKia said:
She is turned out to try to prevent swelling (smallish space as to encorage walking but nothing faster) Is there a secific way of bandageing that anyone knows about to try to prevent bandage bow???
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I'm not sure what you mean by bandage bow, unless you mean when a leg is so tightly bandaged that the tendons blow? If so, that usually happens after far too tight bandaging using an elasticated bandage without any or sufficient padding between the leg and the bandage.

Use lots of gamgee round the dressed and covered wound, and then a stable bandage, not an exercise one, over the whole of the lower limb. It only needs to be tight enough to stop the gamgee moving, not nearly as tight as you would do a tail bandage, for example.
 
NiknKia said:
Alot of people are saying that it will dry/heal better with the bandage off but the vets recommended it bandaged for the next ten days, why dont they recommend air???

Thanks everyone can anyone see anything glaringly wrong apart from the possible fly issues??? :)
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I believe they say now that a moist wound environment is better for healing, if you let the air get to it I presume a scab will form, it needs to heal from the inside out, if a scab forms it will manifest underneath and possibly, most likely get infected, are they disolvablel stiches ?

It looks a terrible injury, how did she get the ones on her rump etc ?

I saw a lady at Badminton with a new spray, she said you could use it on anything, its marketed by Horsewear so maybe worth a look, maybe run it past your vet first, its called Lyvlee stuff, and you can email enquiries to info@horsewear.com contains hypochlorous whatever that is ! you can use it on anything APPARENTLY !
 
Poor thing, is doing well considering the pictures from when she first did it. More vibes for her, for a speedy recovery. I hope your other horse enjoys his 'holiday' and doesnt jump out of anymore paddocks haha. :)
 
Caledonia said:
I'm not sure what you mean by bandage bow, unless you mean when a leg is so tightly bandaged that the tendons blow? If so, that usually happens after far too tight bandaging using an elasticated bandage without any or sufficient padding between the leg and the bandage.

Use lots of gamgee round the dressed and covered wound, and then a stable bandage, not an exercise one, over the whole of the lower limb. It only needs to be tight enough to stop the gamgee moving, not nearly as tight as you would do a tail bandage, for example.
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By bandage bow I meant when all the skin dies along the tendon lines at the front and back of the leg. This happened with the three legs that were bandaged last year and i have been left with baldy bits that wont grow hair back and white bits where the hair did grow back. :o Vet said it was the amount of time that the bandages are on and her hair is starting to die already ont he leg and the skin is getting that pnk crinkled look that it did the last time before it all sloghed off.

She got the wounds on her rump from trying to balance on three legs whilst i drove her back the long drive from the beach to the vets :o poor girl there wasnt anything i could do and that was with a rug on and a bandage on her tail :(
 
Well this is the wound and the leg after 24hrs of no bandaging but unfortunately she had to come in due to the rain and the subsequent midge attack, sharer brought them in in the AM and I was there after 5 by the time i finished training today :)

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Bit more swelling and it has bled a little but stitches are still intact and the skin has lost the crinkly/stressed look :)
 
I'm not sure I'd leave it open to turn out though- unless you can cover it the flies are going to be harassing her something rotten, and she's likely to get dirt etc in it.

Can you not bandage her when she's out and leave it off in the stable?
 
NiknKia said:
By bandage bow I meant when all the skin dies along the tendon lines at the front and back of the leg. This happened with the three legs that were bandaged last year and i have been left with baldy bits that wont grow hair back and white bits where the hair did grow back. :o Vet said it was the amount of time that the bandages are on and her hair is starting to die already ont he leg and the skin is getting that pnk crinkled look that it did the last time before it all sloghed off.
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Are you bandaging it too tightly, or wet? That shouldn't happen....... how are you bandaging it?
 
Caledonia said:
Are you bandaging it too tightly, or wet? That shouldn't happen....... how are you bandaging it?
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This happened when the vet was bandaging it but she was bandaged nonstop for about 8 weeks, apparently vet said it was common ???

I was bandaged with a layer of melolin then a layer of the cotton wool bandage then a layer of stretchy gauze then a layer of cotton rool then a vet wrap last time and vets are doing the same thing again, bandage is changed twice a week 3days then 4 days according to their recommendations. This went on as above for 8 weeks.

I dont want this to happen again, How would others suggest it is bandaged to try to prevent this :) This is why I am tryong open this time as she got a nasty infection due to the skin all falling off last time, vet just gave me more AntiBs and cream for it but I want to prevent it :)
 
Hello, I am new to the forum but just wanted to say im so sorry this happened to your horse and best wishes for a speedy recovery.

Just wondering have any of you used Manuka honey on cuts / wounds?? We have used it on cattle and horses with very good results. At first we worried that it would draw flies as it is so sticky but they seemed to steer clear!
 
NiknKia said:
This happened when the vet was bandaging it but she was bandaged nonstop for about 8 weeks, apparently vet said it was common ???
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:eek::eek::eek::eek:

I've only ever had one horse horribly sensitive, and even that only caused a pressure sore on the back of the leg.
OK - this is based on experience, and what I do.

Dry undamaged part of leg after cleaning wound.

Use gelnet or melolin over the wound area, with whatever medication.

If melolin, tape loosely round the leg, but so it sticks, with micropore. The gelnet moulds beautifully to the wound and will stay there.

Wrap round twice with gamgee, tape loosely on just to hold in place whilst you bandage, and bandage firmly but not forcefully to hold together with a stable bandage, NOT and elastic bandage. I'd change the dressing daily, or every 2 days max. The gamgee can be used 2 or 3 times, as long as it's dry. It's expensive, but protects the skin.

I'm quite horrified your vet thinks it is normal to have such a reaction.

Good luck, it's hard work keeping on top of an injury like that.
 
Poor girl - what a mess.

Keeping the wound covered discourages proud flesh from developing. The hair loss will be from the gunk that is coming out of the wound.

I would be inclined to wash daily with saline, slather it with 'Active Manuka Honey' place a Melolin dressing over it and bandage ensuring that there is plenty of padding over the whole leg.

The honey will be the key ingrdient in getting the wound to heal fast and well.
 
See Ive never hd a horse with sensitivity like hers, my oldie nearly took his foot off and spent nearly 12 weeks in bandages in the stable and never had any hair loss what so ever even though he has feathers (when i dont clip them off :o) and fairly hairy legs

Hmmm will try the above thanks very much for your input, will let you know how we do :)
 
The issue with long term bandages is common. My horse fractured his radius in jan and was bandaged in a Robert Jones by the vet and the correct pressure and dressings were used. With 2 days of having it on I had to removed it as his leg swelled inside the bandage, its caused by the pressure of the overlap of the bandage and the lack of movement.
My horse had huge lumps on the front of his cannon bone, fetlock and back of his knee, these then went solid before erupting in a mass of oozing scabs. The lumps and scabs eventually went but he now has white scar hair where the lumps were.
He had to go without the RJ bandage after that.
I have heard from others that its common.
 
It's only common if the bandaging is incorrect. I've had two horses with Robert Jones bandaging done by a vet, and neither had any problems. It must be bandaging too tight that causes the problems.

That said, I prefer to bandage myself rather than let a vet do it, and my vets have always been happy with that.

ETA, NiknKia, feel free to pm me if you want to ask any more. Good luck!
 
Ouch poor girl... little bit of advice re flies here! Once you're not bandaging it and it has to stay open, get an old fly mask or buy a cheap one (with fairly decent size holes and plastic coating - not the fine mesh ones ), cut the gauzey bit out and gently apply it over the wound, not too tight, then secure with elastoplast tape (the heavy duty stuff!) that will let air get to it and keep flies off. We always do this at yard for wounds!

Also, for the rubs on her butt, Camrosa cream will heal and soothe and have the hair growing back in no time at all! :) You can also put that on the wound once it has begun to scab over to encourage tissue growth/healing and prevent scarring.
 
charlie76 said:
The issue with long term bandages is common. My horse fractured his radius in jan and was bandaged in a Robert Jones by the vet and the correct pressure and dressings were used. With 2 days of having it on I had to removed it as his leg swelled inside the bandage, its caused by the pressure of the overlap of the bandage and the lack of movement.
My horse had huge lumps on the front of his cannon bone, fetlock and back of his knee, these then went solid before erupting in a mass of oozing scabs. The lumps and scabs eventually went but he now has white scar hair where the lumps were.
He had to go without the RJ bandage after that.
I have heard from others that its common.
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Yep...my previous horse had a fractured cannon bone- very small wound- his leg was bandaged whilst on box rest for support- removed twice daily and replaced- all done correctly- vets were happy. He still developed an infection- the vet said it was due to a combination of shedding hair/heat etc under the bandage. Weeping ares- scabs just as you described.

OP- she seems to be healing well. I would keep it moist- you really don't want it to go dry and scabby.
 
2 words... Primapore Dressing :) Working with polo ponies meant lots of stud strikes and open wounds and instead of bandaging I used the largest primapore pads (stick very well to hair/skin/your face/chocolate bars!!) for turn out. Super sterile but 100% breathable and sorts out the pesky fly problem.

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Thank you for all the above.

Never heard of primapore..... off to google. I do have an old flymask (ripped by the norty old gelding :rolleyes:) I could cut that up and apply.

Due to the rain she is in at the min and not happy about it but tough i dont want her skidding about ;)
 
your vet and you have done a good job. Flamazine is a wonderful cream and shoould see you through til it heals up. bandaging will help prevent proud flesh forming (as will flamazine). personally i would continue as the vet has instructed, but i would clean and dress twice a day to keep the wound clean, and maybe apply a little less flamazine. i would also let her stand on the yard (if you have time) and leave the cleaned wound open to air for an hour or so, then apply cream and bandage. (so you should get the benefits of both thoughts). its healing well. flamazine on the tail bit will work well too. your vet is your best advisory as he is treating the horse. post some more pics in a couple of weeks i am sure we will all see a big difference.
 
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