Update from Gingerwitch

Still on Ladders today.... I have left the yard at 6pm to come home to do a bit of house work - well I had a nap ! - my friend is doing his 8pm hay for me, and I am going back at 10pm as usual..... he is doing so well.

The back lady gave me some stretches to do with him today, and we have done them 3 times so far.... he is really really hungry and this is the hardest part.

Farrier just called to see how he is and best news ever........

I have a dissapearing vet bill.... I phoned up to pay my vet bill today, and I dont owe anything - have asked husband if he knows anything about it - and i cannot get a straight answer !

So thank you hubby :)
 
So so so glad he's on the mend, I've been crossing my fingers + praying for you since your original post. I really admire you GW, the world needs more people like you, totally selfless, dedicated and amazing, your pony is the luckiest. Hopefully he continues to improve daily and makes a full recovery xxxxx BIG LOVES xxxxxx
 
This morning very bright and active in the stable - decided to leave bute off him as vet was due during the morning - and I thought it would be a good idea to see what he was really like.

X-rays all looked good no more rotation or anything wrong with his off side fore. But on the nearside fore you could see some weird areas.

Que vet doing a nerve block and started to dig - loads and loads of dead tissue came out, and then you could see right up into the hoof and i could see the creamy white lamini and all the red blood vessels. His hoof was tornicade to reduce the bleeding.

Vets quite pleased but going on about doing this angigram type thing again - which is a real real worry for me - as it could still mean that side of the hoof is dead - and i suppose this would mean the war had been lost - although we have won many battles.

Vet due to call me anytime now to disucss where we go from here as they have been able to match up the previous x rays etc

So its a good news/ bad news day

Some really good news is that he can have an extra 2kg of food a day ! woo hoo

GW
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Eeeeek!! If the tissue is dead there shouldn't b too.much bleeding thst is a sign of healthyier tissue. How long r u torniquing for? And where didn't dig so that u saw all of that?

Now there is an open would it would b quite beneficial to soak with clean trax. They use it in hospitals to clean broken bones or to disinfect the joints them trydo hip replacements and it doesn't damage new or healthy tissue. Was a god send to my friends.horse recently when she sliced into her frog and into digital cushion.

Hope things go ok. X
 
He was tonricade for about 5 mins - whilst the vet was digging round and getting the gunk out.

Horse was sedated so i could have a look at the end - i felt rather ill

Worried sick that it has gone too far as there was not that much blood...so getting in a flap now that he has got a dead half to the hoof
 
Yes - i have just got off the phone from them q - floods of tears.

The pedal bone has roated another degree

They want to do the venigram on Tuesday to see if there is any point basically ie if any blood flow - to prove if the fight is still worth pursuing.

In bits.....

GW
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Oh know poor u after all ur hard work sending hugs ur way and for the big lad too hopefully the next few days won't be to long typical bank holiday wkend take care x
 
Well big lad is really enjoying his extra 2kg of food - he seams a lot more settled in himself.

He has had another massage today, and has had a right pamper session off me, every bit has been scritched at least twice.

I am dreading Tue - hubby says i am just dwelling on the negatives - and the real deciding factor is how the boy is in himself.

Has anyone got any experiance of one of this veinagrame ? what can i expect to find - do lamini re-grow?

I just need some positive things to focus on - and if anything surely the dont put bright, happy horses down do they without giving them a chance - for gods sake he has done everything else wrong - how do they know that even if half his hoof is dead he wont find away of staying ?
 
do lamini re-grow? - did a google and found this topic (not exactly what you're going through tho) - http://www.horseforum.com/horse-health/finally-new-farrier-kainne-what-do-51660/page3/
Poster is banned tho - but does mention photo has come from a shoeing forum ... which led me to think .. whats that barefoot place mentioned on here a lot ... maybe they could have answers to any feet questions

or maybe there are some shoeing/farrier specialist forums hidden away to contact ?

(you might have thought of this already though)

searched for that v word and found this - http://www.horseadvice.com/horse/messages/4/351420.html
No updates on that post but click her name and you get her website and email address ... if you wanted to chat to her ?
 
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Laminae do not really stop "growing". They are part of the hoof and as long as hoof grows, the laminae will also grow. They are like velcro. One side attaches from the hoof wall, the other from the hoof capsule, inside the hoof.

With laminitis, they just don't seem to be able to form a strong bond for whatever reason. Metabolic, toxicosis... no answer to that yet.

Here, this is whats going on inside:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayEJacuoJ7I

Here is also an article worth having a read. When my boy had lami, this article is what changed things for him and me forever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayEJacuoJ7I

The rotation can be reversed too with careful attention.

Rockley Farm is the rehab place Cally mentions. You could give Nic a ring for some advice.
 
I third or fourth oberon, cpt and rockley farm. I helped nurse a horse who had navicular and pedal bone rotation and he is back to happy hacking. Vet said rotation cannot be corrected but I am unconvinced. I think, but am not 100% sure that laminae can recover from all sorts, but presumably there is a point of no return. Sorry I can't be more help.
 
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I third or fourth oberon, cpt and rockley farm. I helped nurse a horse who had navicular and pedal bone rotation and he is back to happy hacking. Vet said rotation cannot be corrected but I am unconvinced. I think, but am not 100% sure that laminae can recover from all sorts, but presumably there is a point of no return. Sorry I can't be more help.
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Well, vets may be the gods of rotated pedal bones, but there are challengers to the throne. Rotation can be reversed in many cases, not all, as it can depend on how long it has been.

A horse can still have rotation and be sound like mine despite not having shoes. What he has is a good connection, sole, frog, digital cushion which all help support what's inside the capsule. That I believe is more important than angle of P3.

Laminae though, I believe can 100% recover. Or else we wouldn't have so many horses and ponies recovering from laminitis.

Laminae can even return after hoof slough, which is probably the epitome of this awful condition. Providing someone, somewhere has the stomach to nurse the animal through it.

Do take time to read Jamie Jackson's - Founder.
 
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