Update on need urgentish advice - *hoof pics*

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so when I went up this evening she was more lame, ok on even ground but sensitive on uneven parts so we've bandaged her hoof up to make her more comfortable. I couldn't get her to hold still for very long so pics aren't great.

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I have no idea what to do really, thinking just see how she goes tomorrow on that hoof as to what we do next.
 
Speak to your farrier!

Haven't read your previous post but if that was my horse, I would be putting a shoe on to offer support.
 
Sidney said:
Speak to your farrier!

Haven't read your previous post but if that was my horse, I would be putting a shoe on to offer support.
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This is the point, I want to take her barefoot. I will be speaking to farrier, equine podiatrist tomorrow.
 
I can't tell very well from the pictures, but it looks like the hoof wall doesn't touch the floor meaning the frog is on the floor which would be very sore; I may be wrong, but see what other people say
 
JennyConnor said:
I can't tell very well from the pictures, but it looks like the hoof wall doesn't touch the floor meaning the frog is on the floor which would be very sore; I may be wrong, but see what other people say
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Yes the frog does touch the floor causing soreness hence now padded up. The hoof wall needs to grow
 
Bad foot, badly in need of a farrier. Why does bandaging a hoof make it more comfortable, is she outside all the time?
 
singing dawg said:
Bad foot, badly in need of a farrier. Why does bandaging a hoof make it more comfortable, is she outside all the time?
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It's bandaged and padded to relieve frog pressure. She's out 24/7, she can't be brought in. I'm currently in the process of changing farrier which makes things difficult, will be on the phone to farriers tomorrow.
 
I'd post this on the vet and feet section - I know absolutely nothing about feet but I'm pretty sure the people who do know will tell you the frog is a critical weight bearing part of the foot and the frog needs to be on the ground - one of the big benefits of barefoot is frog on the ground

Have a look for a thread on that section about wearing frogs away - amazing picky of a frog being worn after a long hack - horse was sound and people loved the size of the frog
 
that aside I see a foot with underun heels, a slightly bull nosed profile which might indicate some reverse rotation of P3 and (although hard to tell from photo) possibly flat/thin soles... the latter being the most likely to be causing her discomfort, but with a good frog to start with :).

I'm not sure what your barefoot plans OP, is she ok in the field or do you think she will need boots, or are you thinking of boots for work?
 
The frog should touch the floor if it is to function as it should, the white line looks stretched the heels are badly underrun and soles are probably thin which will be why she is sore, the frog actually looks to be in fair condition.
 
Polos Mum said:
I'd post this on the vet and feet section - I know absolutely nothing about feet but I'm pretty sure the people who do know will tell you the frog is a critical weight bearing part of the foot and the frog needs to be on the ground - one of the big benefits of barefoot is frog on the ground

Have a look for a thread on that section about wearing frogs away - amazing picky of a frog being worn after a long hack - horse was sound and people loved the size of the frog
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I agree and know that of frogs function however I think a flat footed horse suddenly being barefoot on hard ground means the frog isn't developed enough to fulfil its weight bearing purpose. Hence the soreness
 
I still think the soreness is likely sole not frog based- having taken a horse with similar hoof issues barefoot.
 
ester said:
that aside I see a foot with underun heels, a slightly bull nosed profile which might indicate some reverse rotation of P3 and (although hard to tell from photo) possibly flat/thin soles... the latter being the most likely to be causing her discomfort, but with a good frog to start with :).

I'm not sure what your barefoot plans OP, is she ok in the field or do you think she will need boots, or are you thinking of boots for work?
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Looking at her now I think she would initially needs boots in the field.
 
Being shod 4 weeks ago will probably explain the soreness if it wasnt the actual shoe that bruised his foot as it came off. He will probably be sensitive for a few weeks yet til they have had a chance to grow. My trimmer took my youngsters shoes off at about 8 weeks post shoeing and I had to lead him in hand for another couple of weeks on the roads before I could try hacking. Could you try and borrow some boots? My trimmer lends them out to his customers, yours might do to.
 
speak to pines of rome ref boots in the field, I know she had to and think she used cavallo simples but not sure!

Mine had 6/7 weeks wall growth prior to shoe removal (and a diet overhaul) which helped him for the first few weeks as lifted his soles up a bit. Once worn (started 10 min roadwork a day inhand walking) he did start to feel things a lot more. . and spent the next few months hacking only in front boots (easyboot gloves) but he was ok in the field (ground was mostly soft as was last summer!). We also walked for a long time because he was lame when we started but have more than got there in the end :).
 
ester said:
speak to pines of rome ref boots in the field, I know she had to and think she used cavallo simples but not sure!

Mine had 6/7 weeks wall growth prior to shoe removal (and a diet overhaul) which helped him for the first few weeks as lifted his soles up a bit. Once worn (started 10 min roadwork a day inhand walking) he did start to feel things a lot more. . and spent the next few months hacking only in front boots (easyboot gloves) but he was ok in the field (ground was mostly soft as was last summer!). We also walked for a long time because he was lame when we started but have more than got there in the end :).
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Thank you, think I'm going to order boots tomorrow, I'm worried about her in soundness in the field, could I turn her out in boots for periods?
 
be positive said:
The frog should touch the floor if it is to function as it should, the white line looks stretched the heels are badly underrun and soles are probably thin which will be why she is sore, the frog actually looks to be in fair condition.
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If I wanted to pursue going barefoot with her where should I go from here? Should I get some hoof boots and get the other shoe off? Turn out in boots and walk in hand?
 
She has worn the soles of her feet right down she no longer has protection on the hard, get the feet trimmed right back which will help with the underun heels and change diet, keep feet short (like the mustangs have in the wild, they dont have long feet) it will keep the laiminae tight and you wont get a stretched white line and as the hoof gets stronger the coffin bone will rise up which will cause concavity in the sole and this is when the horse will walk over rocks.
 
putasocinit said:
She has worn the soles of her feet right down she no longer has protection on the hard, get the feet trimmed right back which will help with the underun heels and change diet, keep feet short (like the mustangs have in the wild, they dont have long feet) it will keep the laiminae tight and you wont get a stretched white line and as the hoof gets stronger the coffin bone will rise up which will cause concavity in the sole and this is when the horse will walk over rocks.
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Thank you
 
Have you tried a hoof hardener? My boy's sole was springy on one fore, causing lameness. I had him shod on the front and it's helped immediately. I'm using Keratex Hoof Hardener too.
 
cinnamontoast said:
Have you tried a hoof hardener? My boy's sole was springy on one fore, causing lameness. I had him shod on the front and it's helped immediately. I'm using Keratex Hoof Hardener too.
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I'm planning on taking her barefoot as I'm not happy with her shod at all. I put on cornucrescine but her general hoof horn is in good condition, not cracks etc..
 
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