Update on woman and child out hacking without hats: advice needed.

[tessybear]

So having contacted the local police officer who after coming round to talk to us drove down the road and spoke to the woman about the laws surrounding her child wearing a hat, the woman was apparently very sorry and promised it will not happen again. Lovely Police officer popped back round to ours and told us it had been sorted now and hopefully it shouldn't happen again but after her telling him about commnunicating with the horse regarding safety he gave us his number and incident number so if it happened again he could be called out to deal with it.

However this morning on the way to work we drove past their " natural horsemanship, reiki yard" that has a large sand school at the front low and behold daughter is again out on pony in the school without a hat on. Sitting on her fiesty little pony with only a head collar and lead rope.

I know it's a sand school and clearly their is reduced risk of injury but this is still dangerous all kind of things can happen. Because child isn't out on the road anymore can anything be done ? or will i just have to wait for it to happen again, no doubt it will they are all loonies.

She told the police officer having communicated with the horse through reiki the pony had confirmed with her that he wouldn't hurt daughter so she didn't feel she was breaking the law

 

[Mongoose11]

How do you know what she told the police officer?

 

[tessybear]

How do you know what she told the police officer?

Police man popped back round after seeing her on the route out of the village and told us that it may happen again after the reiki thing, so gave us his card

 

[weebarney]

So having contacted the local police officer who after coming round to talk to us drove down the road and spoke to the woman about the laws surrounding her child wearing a hat, the woman was apparently very sorry and promised it will not happen again. Lovely Police officer popped back round to ours and told us it had been sorted now and hopefully it shouldn't happen again but gave us his number and incident number so if it happened again he could be called out to deal with it.

However this morning on the way to work we drove past their " natural horsemanship, reiki yard" that has a large sand school at the front low and behold daughter is again out on pony in the school without a hat on. Sitting on her fiesty little pony with only a head collar and lead rope.

I know it's a sand school and clearly their is reduced risk of injury but this is still dangerous all kind of things can happen. Because child isn't out on the road anymore can anything be done ? or will i just have to wait for it to happen again, no doubt it will they are all loonies.

She told the police officer having communicated with the horse through reiki the pony had confirmed with her that he wouldn't hurt daughter so she didn't feel she was breaking the law

I think as far as the police are concerned you will have to wait til they are out on roads again. As for in the school I would probably speak to a child welfare charity as to whether this could be neglect or something.

 

[Nudibranch]

I'm fairly sure the law applies only on the roads.

Your intentions are admirable but if she's dumb enough not to insist then leave her to it. It's her child at the end of the day. Nobody wants to see kids get hurt but you can't make them behave in a sensible way, sadly.

 

[quirky]

I would say unless she is on the road, mind your own business.
If she has been spoken to and still fails to see the danger, then so be it.

 

[tessybear]

I think as far as the police are concerned you will have to wait til they are out on roads again. As for in the school I would probably speak to a child welfare charity as to whether this could be neglect or something.

That's what we thought, It's stupid to put your child in that situation to start with.

 

[Mongoose11]

Police man popped back round after seeing her on the route out of the village and told us that it may happen again after the reiki thing, so gave us his card

Sooooo, an incident number and yet the officer popped back to discuss the woman's defence with you? Why am I finding this unlikely? Clearly your local force has a lot of time on their hands, what is the offence recorded as?

 

[tessybear]

I'm fairly sure the law applies only on the roads.

Your intentions are admirable but if she's dumb enough not to insist then leave her to it. It's her child at the end of the day. Nobody wants to see kids get hurt but you can't make them behave in a sensible way, sadly.

Yes i guess so, just sad to watch it only takes one fall to end up paralysed silly woman.

I would say unless she is on the road, mind your own business.
If she has been spoken to and still fails to see the danger, then so be it.

I know i probably should do, just sad to watch.

 

[trendybraincell]

Sooooo, an incident number and yet the officer popped back to discuss the woman's defence with you? Why am I finding this unlikely? Clearly your local force has a lot of time on their hands, what is the offence recorded as?

Was it the log number rather than an incident number?

 

[weebarney]

Sooooo, an incident number and yet the officer popped back to discuss the woman's defence with you? Why am I finding this unlikely? Clearly your local force has a lot of time on their hands, what is the offence recorded as?

Police are supposed to update you as to what's happened. Don't see the problem.

 

[lachlanandmarcus]

The law relates to public roads only. So the police etc wouldn't get involved. And the risks are lower in a manège. What they do there is up to them, I think it's not something you need to get involved in. If you saw them on the road again I would call the police again otherwise leave them to it.

Basically I think you should get involved where the law is being broken but stop at that.

 

[tessybear]

Sooooo, an incident number and yet the officer popped back to discuss the woman's defence with you? Why am I finding this unlikely? Clearly your local force has a lot of time on their hands, what is the offence recorded as?

Yes same thing happened why my sister fell of horse due to dog attack We live in a small village not a lot goes on.

And it was a number at the bottom of the page which we can tell the local police to have him put through

 

[touchstone]

When I've reported instances in the past the police officer in question has always called back to update me and said what went on.

If she is still allowing her child to ride without a hat then she isn't breaking the law, but she is putting her child at risk and a child protection officer would be likely to become involved I would think. I'd be inclined to phone the police officer and just update him, or phone the child protection at your local council.

 

[tessybear]

Was it the log number rather than an incident number?

Yes , sorry that's my wording there

 

[Mongoose11]

Police are supposed to update you as to what's happened. Don't see the problem.

No problem, just my opinion that it all seems a little far fetched.

The law is that children must ride with a hat on the road, not a ménage.

 

[tessybear]

The law relates to public roads only. So the police etc wouldn't get involved. And the risks are lower in a manège. What they do there is up to them, I think it's not something you need to get involved in. If you saw them on the road again I would call the police again otherwise leave them to it.

Basically I think you should get involved where the law is being broken but stop at that.

Thank you for an honest reply, just difficult to watch someone do such a thing. I shall leave them to it untill they are out on the road causing hazards to drivers including their own safety.

When I've reported instances in the past the police officer in question has always called back to update me and said what went on.

If she is still allowing her child to ride without a hat then she isn't breaking the law, but she is putting her child at risk and a child protection officer would be likely to become involved I would think. I'd be inclined to phone the police officer and just update him, or phone the child protection at your local council.

Hm' I will update police officer involved then as someone has said above leave it alone untill they are out on the road and causing risks again.

Thank you

 

[tessybear]

No problem, just my opinion that it all seems a little far fetched.

The law is that children must ride with a hat on the road, not a ménage.

Ah sorry, I am probably making a large drama out of nothing. You just hear all of these terrible stories of people being injured badly due to not wearing a hat and would be such a shame to happen so young.

If you saw the people you wouldn't think it's far fetched the adults are always out without hats on even on some of the younger flighty horses they have.

 

[weebarney]

No problem, just my opinion that it all seems a little far fetched.

The law is that children must ride with a hat on the road, not a ménage.

It's not far fetched its what they are supposed to do! The police were called because she does ride on the road with no hat.

 

[Funkyfilly024]

I agree, unfortunately I think you can only really make an issue when it breaks the law.
If the child ever has an accident, regardless of where, then there may be intervention there, I'm sure the hospital staff would want to now how and why and they are pretty hot on cases involving injuries and accidents to children..
It is poor parenting though IMO, a child is not old enough and therefore does not have the capability to make decisions on such obvious safety risks. I can't understand why any parent would not want there child to wear a hat

 

[Pale Rider]

I think I'd be inclined to mind my own business now. The Police are aware, leave it at that. Some people.

 

[tessybear]

I agree, unfortunately I think you can only really make an issue when it breaks the law.
If the child ever has an accident, regardless of where, then there may be intervention there, I'm sure the hospital staff would want to now how and why and they are pretty hot on cases involving injuries and accidents to children..
It is poor parenting though IMO, a child is not old enough and therefore does not have the capability to make decisions on such obvious safety risks. I can't understand why any parent would not want there child to wear a hat

Wearing a hat doesn't affect riding, it doesn't make any difference apart from saving your life ! It's not like it takes ages to put on, it is putting bad habits into the young girl who will probably grow up like her mother endangering those on the roads around her and herself by being lazy and in my books stupid.

I really hope she doesn't go out on the road like this again but if i see her i will be straight back onto the police, will just have to ignore them in the school, it makes me cringe driving past and thinking what could happen.

 

[tessybear]

I think I'd be inclined to mind my own business now. The Police are aware, leave it at that. Some people.

Thank you for an honest opinion, i shall leave it be now i guess i have a feeling of guilt if anything happened to her . Not overly sure why as i have done my bit.

 

[touchstone]

I think I'd be inclined to mind my own business now. The Police are aware, leave it at that. Some people.

I wonder if you'd say the same if the child was killed or ended up crippled for life when a phone call could have made all the difference though?

The authorities do step in to protect children at risk from harm and abuse, and rightly so.

 

[quirky]

It's not like it takes ages to put on, it is putting bad habits into the young girl who will probably grow up like her mother endangering those on the roads around her and herself by being lazy and in my books stupid.

Not wearing a hat is endangering no one but herself. It has no bearing on the safety of fellow road users.

I can understand you not liking it but don't get your knickers in a twist, you have done as much as you can.

 

[nikCscott]

I think as far as the police are concerned you will have to wait til they are out on roads again. As for in the school I would probably speak to a child welfare charity as to whether this could be neglect or something.

I'd be very careful going this route- often once these things are started even by the most well meaning of people- they cannot just be stopped and there are so many more neglect cases needing these peoples help.

I think I'd be inclined to mind my own business now. The Police are aware, leave it at that. Some people.

Me too

 

[tessybear]

Not wearing a hat is endangering no one but herself. It has no bearing on the safety of fellow road users.

I can understand you not liking it but don't get your knickers in a twist, you have done as much as you can.

I know, again it's that feeling of guilt i have if anything happened. Im being stupid, thanks for the honest reply

 

[tessybear]

I'd be very careful going this route- often once these things are started even by the most well meaning of people- they cannot just be stopped and there are so many more neglect cases needing these peoples help.

Oh don't worry, i will not be doing this route as you say apart from this stupid decision child appears to be in no way neglected. And as you say can destroys families, something i certainly do not want to do.

 

[FfionWinnie]

It's none of your business at the end of the day. Absolutely no need for you to have any thoughts of guilt about the what ifs of this, the mother is an idiot granted, but you need to move on.

Incidentally my daughter is never near a pony with out a hat and BP on but that's my business, not anyone else's, too.

 

[JustKickOn]

Unless it happens again on the road, mind your own business. I know it may be with good intentions, but it's not your situation to get involved with.