tessybear
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Thank you everyone, learnt i need to keep myself to myself.. let them be i suppose !
Update on woman and child out hacking without hats: advice needed.
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Thank you everyone, learnt i need to keep myself to myself.. let them be i suppose !
trendybraincell
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Yes , sorry that's my wording there
No need to apologise
you don't need to know the difference between the two Its just one is a crime reference number and one isn't.
Like everyone else has said, leave it now. If they're on the road its a different matter but on private property they can do as they please...so you have nothing to feel guilty over.
Foxhunter49
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You might find it hard to believe but when I reported an incident to the local police the Community Officer followed it through and reported back to me so, I do believe this it did happen.
Although I insist that any child wears a well fitting hat when riding, I have to admit that when a child we never wore hats riding bareback to the fields or 'messing' around. The hats we did have were made of a cork like substance and were more likely to fall off before we hit the ground because they were lined with a very slippery material, despite an elastic chin strap.
We lived though only through sheer luck, concussions were few and far between, broken arms weren't!
heebiejeebies
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I deal with the Police on a regular basis and 9 times out of 10 they will pop back round to whomever made the complaint to give an update on the situation. It's a duty of care, they don't HAVE to do it, but manners go a long way, and anyone with a genuine concern for someone/something appreciates a wee update on what happened and where it will go from there.
PandorasJar
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A family member lost their business and landed tens of thousands of pounds in debt a couple of decades ago defending herself after an accident on a hack when a lady riding out in a group (who had been mucking around cantering off and refusing to put a hat on originally 'til they said she wouldn't be getting on a horse without) undid her chinstrap and cantered off... straight towards a main road, horse went down sideways when rider realised that a road was ahead and tried to pull up, hat came off when head cracked down onto the road and horse rolled over her crushing skull, killing her.
It wasn't just that lady who was affected. In-law was massively affected, the instructer out with her, the other riders in the group, the husband out on the hack who watched his wife die, the cars involved in the ensuing accident.
It's not a certainty, but had the hat been on for the accident there is a possibility that the accident would have had very different consequences for everyone involved.
If you are not prepared to wear a hat, a simple precaution, then you should not be on the road, not just for your own sake but for a lot of others. So it's definitely a subject where I wholeheartedly agree with what you're doing and do not think it is over-reacting.
PandorasJar
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I'm sure most of us have been there and done that.
I now wear a hat, not for my own safety so much as those around me. It's one thing putting myself in that situation but not others having to deal with the aftermath. I refuse to set foot on road with anyone not wearing a hat.
The accident rates may be low, but for those that do occur, the number of people affected directly, let alone indirectly is huge and when you become directly linked to that small number, it suddenly seems a much bigger risk. I expect most people know someone who knows someone who has lost a person in an accident that we all look back and wonder why we didn't change something.
I'll admit to not always wearing one but there's no way I'd set off my property without one when I would start to involve lots of other people in that risk.
OWLIE185
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Pandorasjar. Your point is absolutely spot on. The emotional and economic implications of suffering a head injury are massive. The emotional effects on the rest of the family and friends would be massive. The economic cost would be comparing the cost of a good protective crash hat which would be about £150 compared to the cost of care which could be £500 per day for the remainder of the injured persons life not forgetting any hospital costs etc.
fatpiggy
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Totally agree. Many years back I was out cycling alone in the back of beyond and was terrified out of my wits by a man in a car. As soon as I got home I reported it to the police and later the same day they rang me to say they had been round to see him, that he was a man in his 40s who still lived at home with his mother, he had no criminal record and had been warned off.
tessybear
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see things like that play in my mind when i see this young girl out without a riding hat on it's just plain stupid. I do hope your family member came out alright ? It's a shame when it happens because 9/10 it could of been different had there been a hat on their head. The police were fab
Round within hours of being called and delt with it very well. Cannot praise the police man enough .smellsofhorse
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On private land I don't think you can do anything.
Unless you are the land owner.
Not much you can do unless you see them out on the roads again
Silly woman.
Unless you are the land owner.
Not much you can do unless you see them out on the roads again
Silly woman.
moana
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I understand that the only law regarding riding hats is that they ar worn up to the age of 14 years. The adult is doing nothing wrong, just stupi, the child - what age?
tessybear
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Child is under the age of 6, the woman i know it's her choice but the child isn't old enough to realise her actions mum should be doing that for her. silly.
Mrs. Jingle
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In my opinion you did absolutely the right thing, you were concerned with protecting a young child when it would appear the parents are either too ignorant or too stupid to protect their own child.
Sadly though, I think you have done all that you can and hopefully the child will be wearing a hat if they are out on the road again. I would be the same as you and shudder seeing the child in the menage without a hat on. But there is nothing more you can do without potentially causing a great deal of grief and suffering to this family, if you did inform other authorities of your concern for the child's safety.
A very difficult situation to find yourself in, but I think in this instance you need to step away now and just hope that no real harm comes to the child.
Sadly though, I think you have done all that you can and hopefully the child will be wearing a hat if they are out on the road again. I would be the same as you and shudder seeing the child in the menage without a hat on. But there is nothing more you can do without potentially causing a great deal of grief and suffering to this family, if you did inform other authorities of your concern for the child's safety.
A very difficult situation to find yourself in, but I think in this instance you need to step away now and just hope that no real harm comes to the child.
Shysmum
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Helmets
The Horses (Protective Headgear for Young Riders) Act 1990 requires children under 14 years old to wear protective helmets when riding a horse on the road. It is the responsibility of the parent, guardian, horse owner or person who has custody of the horse immediately before a child rides it, or an employer of a child, to ensure that the child is wearing an approved helmet when riding on the road. Children of the Sikh religion are exempted while they are wearing a turban.
The Horses (Protective Headgear for Young Riders) Regulations 1992 define approved helmets as ones which conform to one of the following: BS 6473:1984, BS 6473:1987, BS 4472: 1988 or BS 6863:1989 (for pedal cyclist helmets).
The law only requires children to wear helmets when riding on the road. However, it is strongly recommended that all riders of horses, or other equine animals, on the road wear a helmet.
As with all helmets, it is important to ensure that they are the right size for the rider and are worn correctly. If possible, choose one from a reputable shop which has staff trained to help ensure the helmet fits the wearer.
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The Horses (Protective Headgear for Young Riders) Act 1990 requires children under 14 years old to wear protective helmets when riding a horse on the road. It is the responsibility of the parent, guardian, horse owner or person who has custody of the horse immediately before a child rides it, or an employer of a child, to ensure that the child is wearing an approved helmet when riding on the road. Children of the Sikh religion are exempted while they are wearing a turban.
The Horses (Protective Headgear for Young Riders) Regulations 1992 define approved helmets as ones which conform to one of the following: BS 6473:1984, BS 6473:1987, BS 4472: 1988 or BS 6863:1989 (for pedal cyclist helmets).
The law only requires children to wear helmets when riding on the road. However, it is strongly recommended that all riders of horses, or other equine animals, on the road wear a helmet.
As with all helmets, it is important to ensure that they are the right size for the rider and are worn correctly. If possible, choose one from a reputable shop which has staff trained to help ensure the helmet fits the wearer.
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Dry Rot
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Can the landowner do anything?
Young girls in their 20's are immortal and know everything. I would really like to know how you tell them to wear a hat if they don't want to, even if you are the landowner/horseowner!
Yes, I have a case in mind and I am concerned. I spent weeks in a neurological ward when I ruptured a disc in my back and most of the other patients had gone through a windscreen because they were not wearing a seat belt, so I am more than conscious of the risks. The luckier ones just had to learn to do all the simple thing again, like putting words together to make a sentence, dressing themselves, etc. Brain injury is not to be recommended.
skint1
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Dry Rot, I've been getting a little lazy about putting on my seatbelt, your post has just served as a powerful reminder for me
its_noodles
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In policing, it is an "Occurrence". It would have been given an "Occurrence Number". If a crime has been committed, the "Occurrence" would have been transferred to the "Crime" system. I believe this is not the case on this occasion.
Mongoose11
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FWIW, and because I'm not a moron, I wasn't doubting that the Police updated TessyBear, if she did indeed call them. I was doubting that they would share the tale of the 'reiki' on the horse, sounds like the officer was having a laugh at the woman's expense which is unprofessional - hence me doubting it.
tessybear
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Mongoose11
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Fair enough.
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maree t
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I think that you have done the best you can. My mum has a brain injury from a fall when wearing a hat. Without she would have been dead.
I have a friend in the next village over with a head injury, she has gone from being a teacher living abroad to a disabled young woman sitting in a wheelchair 2 years on being looked after by her parents .
My kids wear hats always.
They see a top showjumper riding out locally and they comment on his stupidity at not wearing a hat.
This womens poor children will not have that attitude, I hope they do not suffer for it
I have a friend in the next village over with a head injury, she has gone from being a teacher living abroad to a disabled young woman sitting in a wheelchair 2 years on being looked after by her parents .
My kids wear hats always.
They see a top showjumper riding out locally and they comment on his stupidity at not wearing a hat.
This womens poor children will not have that attitude, I hope they do not suffer for it
Adopter
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It is not just riding on ponies that children need to protect their heads, you still see children riding bikes without helmets, on skates etc.
If parents would stop and think, but then they have not seen what happens when the brain is damaged, perhaps it time more publicity was given to the need to protect the brain when taking part in sport.
It made me think earlier tonight an item on the news about a boxer going from amater to professional, so will not wear protective helmet ---
OP you have done your best, you can not do more than report if you see actual law breaking, well done for caring and taking action.
If parents would stop and think, but then they have not seen what happens when the brain is damaged, perhaps it time more publicity was given to the need to protect the brain when taking part in sport.
It made me think earlier tonight an item on the news about a boxer going from amater to professional, so will not wear protective helmet ---
OP you have done your best, you can not do more than report if you see actual law breaking, well done for caring and taking action.
tallyho!
Following a strict mediterranean diet...
Inclined to agree....
amandaco2
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Law only applies to public highways. They can do what they like on private land......
Welly
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Shame you can't send her the article about Charlotte Dujardin in H&H news
PandorasJar
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Dry rot. If your land yes.
You could write it into the contracts. I would. Nothing to do with them just risking their own lives, but the repurcussions all round. I expect it would be your public liability that would be called on if they came off and injured themselves too.
I believe bhs yards have to wear hats for riding and handling? Or is that just something we were told as kids?!
You could write it into the contracts. I would. Nothing to do with them just risking their own lives, but the repurcussions all round. I expect it would be your public liability that would be called on if they came off and injured themselves too.
I believe bhs yards have to wear hats for riding and handling? Or is that just something we were told as kids?!
Kaylum
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Well done for getting involved OP. Child Welfare is everyone's business.
As for riding without a hat in the menage, that should be a yard rule and there is not much you can do about that.
riding in the menage is as dangerous as riding anywhere. Your head can still get stood on, thrown into a fence etc etc.
I dont rate anyone who rides without a hat. In fact they make me cringe.
As for riding without a hat in the menage, that should be a yard rule and there is not much you can do about that.
riding in the menage is as dangerous as riding anywhere. Your head can still get stood on, thrown into a fence etc etc.
I dont rate anyone who rides without a hat. In fact they make me cringe.
Dry Rot
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Dry rot. If your land yes.
You could write it into the contracts. I would. Nothing to do with them just risking their own lives, but the repurcussions all round. I expect it would be your public liability that would be called on if they came off and injured themselves too.
I believe bhs yards have to wear hats for riding and handling? Or is that just something we were told as kids?!
Thanks for that.
I shall be putting my foot firmly down today. I'm dealing with a 25yo who has done it all (racing yard, x-country, show jumping) and refuses to wear a hat. Unfortunately, she is very very good and I don't want to lose her! But the insurance angle is a very good argument.
I'm from an era when anyone insisting on safety gear would have been laughed at (soon after WWll when the country was trying to get back on it's feet). But having been in hospital myself to get metal fragments out of my eye because I didn't wear goggles I ought to know better!
Re: seat belts, I was in a mixed neurological ward. There was one patient I remember in particular. She had apparently been a very pretty girl but that changed when she was flung through the windscreen of her boyfriend's car. Brain damage meant she could only speak one word at a time.
Then, she went very quiet and said nothing. The nurses were very concerned but I noticed an occasional shy smile and I guessed something was going on inside her head. Her family came at the weekend and, hearing about the silence, were obviously very worried. But that changed to joy and relief when the girl came out with a whole sentence. She'd obviously been "saving it up" all week!
When you next "forget" to put on your seat belt, please think of that story. Do you really want the highlight of your week to be the ability to complete a single sentence?
Shysmum
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It's written in our contracts that we have to wear hats on our yard. I think most yards do it nowadays, for their insurance if nothing else.