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OHHH MY GOD!!!! i am sooooo bloodt excited!!

Just rang up about some puppies, they are due to be born on Tuesday, they are an English Mastiff x Douge De Bordeux, we have got pick of the litter, and will be able to bring home on 20th March!!

Wil be getting pictures as soon as they are born, so will keep you all updated!!

I am sooooooooooooo excited!!!
 
No wonder! Congrats..hope you find the pup you want
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We will, i am soooo excited, will be looking at my phone all the time now until Tuesday!!

We have got a name ............"Tyrone" lol
 
The other half is worrying now that as we have got pic of the litter i wont be able to choose and we will end up with them all!!!! muuuhhhaaaaaa
 
not being a kill joy here but I would STRONGLY advise you to steer clear of these pups. Ask yourself ( or better still the breeder) why you have got pick of litter ? - most reputable breeders only breed when they want to keep the best for themselves - usually to improve their breeding line - anything else is breeding just for profit and anyone who deliberately crosses two large guarding breeds is certainly not doing it to 'improve' either breed - just to fulfill the current market for large 'butch' type of dogs. Both breeds used are specialist breeds with their own problems both in health and temperament - crossing them is likely to make these a whole lot worse !.

I know it's very tempting to get a puppy straight waway once you've made your mind up but stop and think before you take on something you may regret....and line the pockets of yet another puppy farmer
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Whilst Milor has been very diplomatic in her posts, I have not been and will not be - when you have had to deal with a large dog that has mauled a child, causing horrific injuries, then your views on these breeds and the "idiots" yes "idiots" that breed them change rapidly. There is no reason on this planet to cross two such fighting breeds other than for the money and the "image" portrayed by the new owner who has "big" dog. Hopefully you never have to force its jaws off another dog or worse still a child.

I once had to shoot a Rottie that was biting a child - as we were first unit on the scene - we were by chance an armed response unit, we had not responded because we were armed, only for the fact we were two streets away - I did not think twice. The child lost its arm. At the time my daughter had a Rottie, so don't start the lectures about them being good pets.

Will the good advice from Milor make you change your mind? No I doubt it, you seem to far up yourself for that.

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Thank you for you advice and it is really much appreciated me and the OH are really going to take all of this advice on board and have a serious think about what we are going to do.

I blame myself i am a big dog lover and always have been, i dont no why. We are going to have another look around for different puppies, and i have been doing su, serious reading up on the internet about both of the breads
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The only thing that i am getting confused with is that some people seem to say that they are fighting dogs and have got bad temprement, but i have joined a KC forum and all the owners on there have said that they are very laid back dogs?

Anymore info would be great
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"Will the good advice from Milor make you change your mind? No I doubt it, you seem to far up yourself for that."

It is all very well giving advice and helping point out important factors - but there really is no need to make snidy comments such as the above. It is just not necessary - maybe if you worded it in a kinder way the point may be got across better!
 
I have to agree with this!!!! i DONT UNDERSTAND WHY, someone would breed from these two types of dog!! it does not make any sense..... You should also look into GASTRICTORTION/BLOAT cos both of these breeds are commonly suseptible to this condition......iits a very EXPENSIVE procedure to treat!!! so look into getting some insurance.
What ever you decide GOOD LUCK!!!!
 
Just another point to consider...with a cross breed puppy you really can't predict what sort of temperament you'll get. They could take after the sire or dam, be a mixture of the 2, or be completely different
 
For milor; jj4y, MiLisCer and CALA
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What a bunch of spoil sports you are!

My OH has a Mastiff and he is the dopeist, softest big lump around! He is quirky when out walking but we have made the assumption that this is due to his upbringing.

I am sure that JodieW has researched all the necessary information prior to selecting this breed of dog and has reached her own conclusion. At least some of you could be a bit more positive for her!

As for shooting a Rottie upon arrival, you must have an interesting job. Did it ever escape your mind that the dog might have had bad blood, might have been abused, might have not be socialised properly!

Anyway back to work for me
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Jodie, I bet you are EXTREMELY excited!!

Is a Mastiff a breed that you have always wanted? .. why not look for a pure bred?

There have been some very constructive comments in this post/and other post however there have also been some comments that I suggest you ignore!!

A Rhodesian Ridgeback is a dog that I have always wanted... yes he grows into a big dog... I have never h ad a dog before but am confident that I can with the help of research, friends, vets, trainers... this forum, bring him up as a well rounded dog!!
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So good luck with what you decide... x
 
Neither of the breeds memtioned are "fighting breeds", they are guarding breeds and if they are brought up correctly in the right enviroment make exellent pets, the horror stories start when chavs and other unsuitable types get their hands on the breed/type.............Carreg
 
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Whilst Milor has been very diplomatic in her posts, I have not been and will not be - when you have had to deal with a large dog that has mauled a child, causing horrific injuries, then your views on these breeds and the "idiots" yes "idiots" that breed them change rapidly.

[/ QUOTE ]OK you then of all people should realise that you can't tar a breed with the same brush based on your experience!!!

Not ALL Rotti's are savage child maulers?! .... Not ALL pitbulls want to fight....

Likewise not every human is a mad axeman just because there are a few in the race/breed doesn't mean that they are ALL like it!!

People/Animals... turn out the way they are due to breeding issues/training issues/their upbringing/their well being/their state of mind...

A puppy isn't born that's purpose is to savage a human/child/being destructive etc

It's down to circumstance IMO.. yes there are exceptions... you can't change the personality of a dog... however they are NOT all the same!!
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There is no reason on this planet to cross two such fighting breeds other than for the money and the "image" portrayed by the new owner who has "big" dog.

[/ QUOTE ]This is true - but then really there is also not necessarily a need to breed like for like when there are so many unwanted dogs in the UK already!!

Are you saying that it's OK for people to breed for example Lab to Lab but not for example Lab to Collie? or Lab to Springer?
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Hopefully you never have to force its jaws off another dog or worse still a child.

[/ QUOTE ]Hopefully none of us will have to do this, however JRT/Pug/Lab/Springers are all as capable of such acts as a Mastiff/Rotti/Big dog!? So ot sure what the point of that comment is!!
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I once had to shoot a Rottie that was biting a child - as we were first unit on the scene - we were by chance an armed response unit, we had not responded because we were armed, only for the fact we were two streets away - I did not think twice. The child lost its arm.

[/ QUOTE ]What a horrific sight that must have been... poor child... but again that could quite as easily been a lurcher/spaniel etc
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At the time my daughter had a Rottie, so don't start the lectures about them being good pets.

[/ QUOTE ]Hmmmm so what makes your daughter 'responsible enough' to have a Rotti/Big Dog and not jodiew?

What makes yoru daughter better?
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Will the good advice from Milor make you change your mind? No I doubt it, you seem to far up yourself for that.

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[/ QUOTE ]That is not on!! Jodie is NOT up herself, I don't know you or jodie or alot of people on here from Adam, however your judgement stinks... and you'd do well to keep it to yourself unless of course you are happy flouting T&C's and posting defamatory comments!!!
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Mike, give grounded advise... NOT try and shout the poor girl down about getting a big dog.. at the end of the day it's PERSONAL choice as to what she does... but guidance goes a long way, bullying doesn't!!!
 
I've tried to provide guidance on a subject I know in depth (I wouldn't attempt to on a subject I wasn't so sure about!) but my comments have just been shot down each time
 
My intention is most certainly not to be a spoilsport ....I know just how exciting it is to be looking for a new puppy ...but sometimes this means that we don't always think things through.


There are many alternatives that you might consider if you want a big impressive looking dog but want to steer clear of any potential temperament problems.

have a look at the Leonberger 32 " at the shoulder - 110 lbs -looks like a huge golden lion and with a fabulous kind temperament ( the breed standard says " ....an easy genial companion" )

or a Great Dane another impressive breed with a good nature


or a Pyrenean Mountain Dog - stunningly beautiful white coated mastiff type 28 " at the shoulder and weighing in at 132lbs

or a Newfoundland - another big mastiff type with what the Kennel Club describes as " a delghtfully docile temperament "

or a Bernese Mountain Dog - very sweet natured and beautiful looking giant breed.

or an Irish Wolfhound - dont get much more impressive than this and such beautiful gentle characters


....ditto with the Scottish Deerhound
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take a bit of time - go and buy/borrow a good dog book then pour yourself and hubby a large glass of wine, sit back and look carefully at all your options
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- when you have decided on the right breed for you - go and visit some owners/breeders and pick their brains PLEASE do not be tricked into parting with your money by being told it's a 'rare' designer cross - it's not - it's just another example of irresponsible breeding
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I've tried to provide guidance on a subject I know in depth (I wouldn't attempt to on a subject I wasn't so sure about!) but my comments have just been shot down each time

[/ QUOTE ]jj4y, on this post you commented that you agreed with milor .. so not really a comment at all, however milor was diplomatic so I don't see why you feel you have been shot down?!

Also you mentioned about you don't know which personality you will get with a cross breed sire or dam... which is true?! So again a valid point - you haven't been agressive in your response/nor bullying you have merely give your POV is a polite way!!

I don't think I made any reference to your comments, nor have I shot them down, if I have then I apologise!?
 
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My intention is most certainly not to be a spoilsport ....I know just how exciting it is to be looking for a new puppy ...but sometimes this means that we don't always think things through.

[/ QUOTE ]milor I do not think you are being a spoilsport - you are offering advice.. not trying to scare the poor girl into not getting a big dog... what you say is coming across as rational and in a way impartial... you are advising not shoving it down her throat with scary stories!!!
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There are many alternatives that you might consider if you want a big impressive looking dog but want to steer clear of any potential temperament problems.

have a look at the Leonberger 32 " at the shoulder - 110 lbs -looks like a huge golden lion and with a fabulous kind temperament ( the breed standard says " ....an easy genial companion" )

or a Great Dane another impressive breed with a good nature


or a Pyrenean Mountain Dog - stunningly beautiful white coated mastiff type 28 " at the shoulder and weighing in at 132lbs

or a Newfoundland - another big mastiff type with what the Kennel Club describes as " a delghtfully docile temperament "

or a Bernese Mountain Dog - very sweet natured and beautiful looking giant breed.

or an Irish Wolfhound - dont get much more impressive than this and such beautiful gentle characters


....ditto with the Scottish Deerhound
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[/ QUOTE ]Agree but also think again a pure breed Mastiff (as HBII) has mentioned can be a docile/dopey dog... its how you bring them up.

I can't say whether Jodie want's a Mastiff because she has always wanted one or just because she wants a big dog!!

However I know when I wanted to buy my Ridgeback it was a breed I have always loved and wanted and no subsitute could be offered, I felt confident in being able to seek advice to look after/train if needed.. Jodie may feel the same.
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take a bit of time - go and buy/borrow a good dog book then pour yourself and hubby a large glass of wine, sit back and look carefully at all your options
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- when you have decided on the right breed for you - go and visit some owners/breeders and pick their brains PLEASE do not be tricked into parting with your money by being told it's a 'rare' designer cross - it's not - it's just another example of irresponsible breeding
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[/ QUOTE ]Good advice milor...

Jodie if you don't have your heart set on a Mastiff or Mastiff X, go meet some other big dogs... all reputable breeders will be open/willing for you to go meet their dogs/hounds before you commit to buy. .I know I had MANY invitations to meet Ridgebacks when I was searching for Finny.. they want to know you can handle the dog.

A good place to search for reputable breeders and puppies is through the Champdogs puppy section...That is where I managed to find Finny!!
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CHAMP DOGS SITE click on Guided search..then you can search on each breed.. it will have a link to Puppies and breeders that are KC registered.
 
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I've tried to provide guidance on a subject I know in depth (I wouldn't attempt to on a subject I wasn't so sure about!) but my comments have just been shot down each time

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I certainly wasnt wielding a shot gun when I made my response
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But I think youll find that you agreed with milor on one of your comments which as jodiew posted and UPDATE and I felt that the post warranted nice congratulations posts not this is the type of dog I am getting please discuss! I did feel that you were all poopooing her excitement in getting a pup.

Then you stated that you cant predict the temperament of a dog just by its sire or dam. Fine!

I didnt mean to upset you but I did feel that this wasnt a discussion post. I am also assuming that jodiew has done all the necessary research maybe you didnt! Hey this is the internet and the written word can be taken in many different ways. I meant it tongue in cheek almost nothing to take offence too - so I am sorry if you did.

Thanks

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I did feel that you were all poopooing her excitement in getting a pup.

[/ QUOTE ]LMFAO - nice word!!
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I'm sure I've seen that somewhere before today!!!
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LMFAO - nice word!!
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I'm sure I've seen that somewhere before today!!!
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Original Source of Originallity me
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This word is only used by the BESTEST people in the world
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Original Source of Originallity me
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[/ QUOTE ]Also a BIG FAT LIAR!!!
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This word is only used by the BESTEST people in the world
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[/ QUOTE ]This is VERY true... does that mean I am BESTEST BESTEST?!
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I don't think jj4y and milor are being spoilsports, they are just pointing out some of the pitfalls of choosing such a dog. It is, after all, a very important decision to make, as it crucial that dog and owner are suitable for each other, if they are going to live together happily for over a decade. Surely it is better for people to speak out and urge caution, rather than keeping quiet and letting someone make what may be a mistake.

I am not a dog expert so can't comment on the suitability of the breeds/crosses involved, but I do think one point to be made about some of the big dog breeds is the strength of their jaws. If a terrier or a spaniel bites someone the damage is not likely to be nearly as severe as that inflicted by a big dog with powerful jaws.

I wish Jodie all the best with finding a puppy which will be perfect for her!
 
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I don't think jj4y and milor are being spoilsports, they are just pointing out some of the pitfalls of choosing such a dog. It is, after all, a very important decision to make, as it crucial that dog and owner are suitable for each other, if they are going to live together happily for over a decade. Surely it is better for people to speak out and urge caution, rather than keeping quiet and letting someone make what may be a mistake.

[/ QUOTE ]True, as I have said milor and jj4y have given advice - but what about MiLisCer's comments? he wasn't urging/advising anything he was bullying?! Which isn't on..
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I am not a dog expert so can't comment on the suitability of the breeds/crosses involved, but I do think one point to be made about some of the big dog breeds is the strength of their jaws. If a terrier or a spaniel bites someone the damage is not likely to be nearly as severe as that inflicted by a big dog with powerful jaws.

[/ QUOTE ]Yes this is a factor - but a dog biting anyone - be the dog big/small is going to cause damage and can occur at any time... just becuase it is a big dog doesn't mean it more likely to bite?!
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I wish Jodie all the best with finding a puppy which will be perfect for her!

[/ QUOTE ]Me too!!
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(TGM these comments aren't directed at you necessarily - just comments, more rhetorical really!)
 
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but what about MiLisCer's comments? he wasn't urging/advising anything he was bullying?! Which isn't on..
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[/ QUOTE ] I agree those comments were very harsh, although I'm sure made with the best of intentions. Advice given in a confrontational way often tends to be ignored, whereas a more moderate approach like milor's tends to be more persuasive!

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Yes this is a factor - but a dog biting anyone - be the dog big/small is going to cause damage and can occur at any time... just becuase it is a big dog doesn't mean it more likely to bite?!

[/ QUOTE ] Which is exactly what I was trying to say, the size of the dog doesn't increase the level of aggression, but in some breeds it does greatly increase the damage potential. If you make mistakes when bringing up a chihuahua then the worst case scenario is probably nips to the ankle, whereas if you bring up a rottie badly then someone could lose an arm or their life
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. That is no reflection on the rottie temperament as I have known lots who were soft as butter, but if they do 'turn' then the consequences are much more severe.
 
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