URGENT Advice needed horse showing Neuro signs

BarmyC

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Hi guys,

Need a bit of advice for my friend. Firstly the horse is under the care of the vet but would like to try and find out what other possibilities there are for his condition.

Horse has come in from the field this afternoon. Walked in fine and this included up hill. Was standing tied up and i got a shout from her. Horse had collapsed and his eyes were rolling round in the sockets.

He came back too in a few seconds and stood up unaided. She was advised to ring vet there and then as it looked like a fit/seizure. We checked mouth, back, neck etc (YO is a bowen therapist) and all were fine. We then walked him back downhill to our front pen. Horse wasnt lame/ataxic and was happy to walk in small circle left and right etc. Temperature was on the lower side of normal but in normal range. Horse then tried to pick at some feed off the floor and then stuggled backwards and was having muscle spasms but then returned to normal.

Vet then arrived. She lifted his head up to check his jaw, and was about to check his eyes when he collapsed for the 2nd time and stayed down for about 4-5 minutes with his eyes rolling. Imagine what a fruit machine looks like when spinning and this is what his eyes were doing.

Vet is thinking along the lines of wobblers but is treating him for general Neuro symptoms as she wants him a bit more stable before transporting him for neck and head x rays.

The horse is a 6/7 year old traditional cob.

Now is where im asking for your help and knowledge.

1) Can wobblers onset as quickly as this? He has shown no signs whatsoever previously.
2) Could it be a fracture that is inpinging on the spinal cord?
3) Do wobblers have the rolling eye thing as this is what is troubling me.
4) Could it be something like a tumor?

Im sure i will have more questions but HHO knowledge and vibes would be great!!
 

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Hi one of my horses has seizure like episodes but at the same time as he colics also under veterinary care for this , his eyes also roll back has no control over what's going on very scary though to watch luckily my vet arrived within twenty minutes last month but did start fitting again when she arrives she does think that my horse seizure ? Is linked to pain as oppose to Nero , I hope you have some positive news soon keep us updated on progress healing vibes xx
 

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I had a mare with wobblers, but she never collapsed like that, or had the rolling eyes. However we had pts before she became a danger to herself. She had wobblers as a pre-existing condition when we bought her (despite a 5 star vetting!), so can't comment on how quickly the condition can come on.

Her main symtons were ataxia.

Good luck for your friend in what must be a very worrying time x
 
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That doest sound like wobblers to me!! Wobblers is degenerative so he would of shown signs before, ime it wouldn't of come on this suddenly and he would of struggled to get back up on his own I would of thought. And ive never heard of it causing fitting but I stand to be corrected.

I know a couple of horses like this who had epilepsy though
 

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No personal experience as such but at my yard there is a horse who has what appears to be seizure type behaviour. It was video'd and sent to the vet who thinks it may be liver related so there are other reasons aside from wobblers that can cause these signs. Horse still hasn't had the bloods done as of yet but it is another thing to consider. I wonder if the horse you mention has pulled back on the lead rope and injured his/her neck and hence the second collapse when the vet lifted the horses head. The only horse I have known who did have wobblers was pts before his condition deteriorated but he didn't have seizures, he just used to be ataxic and would fall over with no warning.
 

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Thank you guys it is very worrying. I have made her go home and leave the horse in the very capable hands of the YO. As there is nothing further we can do until tomorrow according to the vet and she needs to be on form tomorrow if he is stable enough to transport for xrays.

He has had a very high dose steroid, another anti inflam, a tetnus anti toxin and IM anti b's.

It is really very worrying. It seems like moving his head lower to ground and towards his feet or lifting his head higher that his wither height triggers the collapse and the eyes.

I really hope we can find out what is causing it but fear that the outcome may not be positive. :(
 

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That doest sound like wobblers to me!! Wobblers is degenerative so he would of shown signs before, ime it wouldn't of come on this suddenly and he would of struggled to get back up on his own I would of thought. And ive never heard of it causing fitting but I stand to be corrected.

I know a couple of horses like this who had epilepsy though

This is what i was thinking. After the second collapse he did take a long time to work out how to get up. He is slowly working out where and how he can stand but is really very wobbly.

With the epilepsy. Would that come on this quickly?

No personal experience as such but at my yard there is a horse who has what appears to be seizure type behaviour. It was video'd and sent to the vet who thinks it may be liver related so there are other reasons aside from wobblers that can cause these signs. Horse still hasn't had the bloods done as of yet but it is another thing to consider. I wonder if the horse you mention has pulled back on the lead rope and injured his/her neck and hence the second collapse when the vet lifted the horses head. The only horse I have known who did have wobblers was pts before his condition deteriorated but he didn't have seizures, he just used to be ataxic and would fall over with no warning.

The horse was untied when it happened. I have asked her if the horse had pulled back in the last few days just to see if there is anything that could have triggered even if it was minor then and being boisterous in the field could have damaged it further but she said that he hasn't.

You can see how ataxic he is now but at 3pm this afternoon was 100% fine.
 

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Sorry texting from a misbehaving phone grrrr......I shall continue.
Friends horse showed similar siezure like behavior. Vet was called and it turn out that he had a migrating worm larvae that had travelled outside his gut into his blood stream into other organs such as his brain. This caused temporary seizures and other frightening behaviour. I believe he was treated with a cattle slender. Not sure now ad was long time ago. Speak to your vet about possibility of this ,I believe that tapeworm larvae can do this ad they can live for years in other organs in the body.
 

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Wobblers can come on suddenly and is not always degenerative. I have a 3 year old Shire gelding who, when he was 11 months old, went from being a normal colt one day, to a horse that couldn't raise his head above the height of his withers the next day, to being totally ataxic that night. He never rolled his eyes or collapsed. To cut a long story short, he was diagnosed as a high grade 3 wobbler after no end of tests and X-rays. After being on a strict regimen of stringently weighed hay (as a percentage of his body weight) and high vitamin E, and confinement to our pole barn for 3+ months, he was re-evaluated and given a revised diagnosis of grade 1 wobblers. He's gone from strength to strength in the past 2 years. Your description of your friend's horse's symptoms sounds more epileptic than spinal. The X-rays and clinical work-up should be revealing. Fingers crossed...
 

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Just a quick update. Horse has spent the night still standing up. Going to pick my friend up to take her to the yard.

Thank you guys some very interesting responses that I will keep in mind for the vets return visit. Will keep you all posted. :)
 

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Years ago (40+!) I knew three horses in a field that behaved a bit like that; sadly two died very quickly, the other drowned in a pond when it collapsed (don't ask, they weren't ours!); the cause was found to be ragwort but there might have been other causes that weren't investigated back then. Outwardly they looked fine but would collapse for no reason at any time but particularly if they raised their heads up.
Another possibility could be ear inbalance; ask vet to check those out thoroughly too.
 

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Long shot - I don't know if horses can get this or anything similar, but his symptoms are not unlike those of BPPV in humans. This is a disorder of the inner ear causing loss of balance, spinning sensation, eye rotation and can be mild or severe. It can be brought on by head movements and can be of sudden onset and there can be repeated attacks.

I'm not a doctor but have had this myself several times and it's very debilitating. If you google "BPPV" the symptoms will come up.
 

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Is the early history of the horse known re worming and keeping grazing/hay clear of ragwort.

When you say traditional cob my mind just flicks to the tethered trad cobs near our old yard left with nothing but ragwort to eat by the local travellers and then sold on to unsuspecting people who feel sorry for them......hope this isnt the case here...
 

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Well just a quick update. Horse was stable and quiet enough overnight. Then about 8am this morning took a turn for the worse which coincided with the drugs wearing off. Vet has been back up with the head vet who I trust implicitly.

There are 3 things that they are thinking either meningitis, enchephilitis or a long shot which is not looking so likely west nile virus. :-(

He really needs to stabilise more before we can transfer him to hospital. So is on more anti b's etc and hope we can nurse him until he is less ataxic.

Basically the next 24 are critical and if he doesn't respond to the med's the prognosis is very poor.

However he is responding to them atm so for all the time he is there is a glimmer of hope.

Please keep your vibes coming I have heard how powerful the hho vibes are and this little horse needs all the help he can get.
 

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Sending Vibes.

Have they tested for EHV? My friend's horse had the neurological version and presented similar to your friends.

Hope he gets well soon :)
 

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Don't give up hope. My mare started having seizures and the vets advice was to have her put down. That was 1996 and she is 29 now and outlived the vet (sadly). One of the standard tests for neurological problems is to lift the head so I'm not surprised your horse collapsed as a result. X rays may or may not show anything. Your vet needs to do a complete neuro work up. Have you wormed lately? Ivermectin is known to cause seizures and whatever you do, don't use any sedatives such as ACP. It has to be the valium type. PM me if you like.
 

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Poor boy, sounds very scary for all of you :( Hope things start to improve, all my fingers & toes are crossed and I'm sending all my vibes his way xx
 

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Apologies for not taking the time to read other responses

Could I ask what chemicals this horse has been exposed to?
eg fly sprays, arable field sprays

I ask because a friends pony was nearly pts this time last year with neuro symptoms but she did not give up on the pony, the symptoms then stopped during the winter
The problem has been put down to use of ''Spot-On'' for flies--only affecting one pony out of a herd.
 
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