Urgent advice needed - how to evict livery from hell

I have considered the Police route but I'm of the impression that unless she's committed a criminal act - say assaulting me - that they wouldn't be able to get involved.

I've stored the abusive texts but unfortunately the phone calls weren't recorded. In the end I ignored them but she kept ringing from other phones and hiding her number. She's an absolute nightmare.

Its the worst time for it to happen as I'm alone during the day as I'm housebound after being thrown by my horse into a solid fence and broke my pelvis - I won't be up and about properly for weeks. I've never laid eyes on her but I she thinks she knows me and sends really personal (totally untrue) texts... Its bizarre I feel abused in my own home by her!

I would still like to discuss with a solicitor - can anyone recommend one? I think the BHS only give advice but can't actually act in any cases.

If she has made you feel fearful or harassed then she has broken the law.

It does not need to be a physical assault.

I have known people be arrested for telephone and online harassment.

The police can only get involved if you let them. Make a complaint and get some help.
 
There was a nut job livery on my old yard, luckily she left of her own accord but went to another local yard and slagged us all off and lied about us to the liveries there. Just a few weeks later I heard that she had had a major bust up with the YO and was escorted from the premises by the police, so yes, you can and should get them involved.
 
The police are coming tomorrow evening - I'll let you all know what happens. I feel a bit more hopeful now that I'll get some help.

Thanks for advice
 
Sorry to hear of your situation. Just to let you know that abusive texts come under the harassment law and if you go to the police they have to act. I know this because I had a situation with someone last year (not horse related) and the police went to visit the person in question and gave them an official warning. If they were to contact me in an abusive way either by phone, word or text then they would prosecute. The warning worked and I had no more trouble. As far as your situation with them staying at your yard, our yard owner has more than once threatened liveries who have caused problems to tie their horses up at the end of the road to get them off his land. I believe he has acutally done this in the past. Your land, your livery. If there is no contract they havent got a leg to stand on in my opinion. Just make sure they don't take it out on any of the horses or your property. They sound like scumbags bullies to me.
 
Best of luck with this. Suspect unfortunately that the fact you don't have a contract will hinder progress greatly as if she's signed a contract its easy to give notice. I suspect she hasn't got the gumption but she could really dig in if she wanted to.

The fact that she sent the texts though (however unpallatable) will act in your favour as she has now broken the law.
 
Wud be nice to know some details as to why these people are so bad, or is it just a misunderstanding, i do like to see both sides of the story.
 
Was going to ask if you were on the Surrey borders, but have just re-read your 1st post OP & see you are in W.Sussex.
I was having a deja-vu moment :o as the livery from hell from round our neck of the woods did a vanishing act around 4 months or so ago - been chucked out of 5 yards in the previous 8 months it appears!
We reckon she only vanished as the last YO took A4 sheet with photos of woman with her totally unmistakable horse round just about every local yard & asked them to pass on into to everyone that they met! :D

Hope you get rid soon!
 
Not quite the same situation but we have just succesfully evicted a licensee from our fields and the legal position is not dissimilar. Your livery has no occupation rights, as such you are entitled to give them notice to leave (without a contract you don't have to follow a min period either). If you can give them a reasonable amount of time it might be helpful but given the abusive texts there is no reason why the notice can't be short. Give the notice in writing and if you don't deliver it personally send it recorded delivery. As others have said be prepared to enforce the notice you have given - you are entitled to pack up their belongings and leave at gate and perhaps have the horse in its halter and ready to leave. If you think the livery will be difficult inform the police - whilst evicting is a civil matter the police will attend to ensure there is no breach of the peace (we found them very helpful). Call them to log the abusive calls etc too. We found the whole process with our licensee very stressful but we were always clear and consistent and never showed any weakness or suggestion we would back down. Our licensee eventually did back down and she left quietly! Best of luck!
 
Poor you, nobody really needs this. She sounds like someone our YO evicted about three and half years ago. Similar stuff and YO just told her to sling her hook and it worked.

This is somewhat not very legal, but do you by any chance either have an OH, friend, partner, relative, son, father, brother etc who is built like a brick ***** house, with large muscles and plenty of attitude. Ask him to tell her to get off your yard within 24 hours and mean it. Sometimes desperate times take desperate measures.
 
I would still like to discuss with a solicitor - can anyone recommend one? I think the BHS only give advice but can't actually act in any cases.

On the BHS helpline you speak to solicitors. You are quite right in that they won't act on your behalf but for legal advice, asking them to approve and advise what to say in wording of letters etc, they are worth their weight in gold :)
 
We've ended up being duped into offering a 'port in a storm' to a livery by another local YO. Turns out they are certainly not the decent types she said they were!! :mad:

We need to get them off the yard ASAP for various reasons - not least of which is for the sanity of our other liveries.

We haven't given them a contract (which we would do in normal circumstances) as it was never going to a long term stay.

Problem is that they are extremely abusive/aggressive. Over the last few days I've had abusive texts and phone calls right up to late evening. She really is a vile woman.

I know people will say tie the horses outside the yard and lock the gate but I've a nasty feeling we'd end up breaching a law of some sort.

Can anyone offer advice on what to do to evict her from the yard? We've already told her she and her friends and family are not to come onto the yard - they can go straight to the field to do their horses but that's all.

We'll probably have to enlist the services of a solicitor - can anyone recommend one who is experienced in the sort of situation who is in the West Sussex area?
Oh dear, when will you people learn that you DO have a contract. Taking money for loan of a stable or grazing and facilities constitiutes a contract even where this is written down.

However, to get down to the knitty-gritty, all you need to do is give her notice in writing. No need to give reasons . Just say her stable will be required on such and such a date or if she is at grass livery just say that you require her to vacate the premises on ..... , or at once, if you prefer but do give a date. Send it to her home address by recorded delivery so she can't say she hasn't received it.

Don't get into a discussion with her, just stick to your guns. Where she goes is not your problem so be firm if she claims she has nowhere to go.
 
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Just in case you need a specialist equine solicitor or someone to carry out the eviction:

Specialist Equine Solicitors
Actons
Tel: 0115 91002200 Caroline Bowler

Mark Carter
White Bowker Solicitors
Tel: 01962 844440
www.wandb.co.uk
mark.carter@wandb.co.uk

Helen Niebuhr
Darbys Solicitors
52 New Inn Hall Street
Oxford
OX1 2QD
Tel: 01865 811 7000
01865 811712
Fax: 01865 811 777
www.equine-law.net
E: equine@darbys.co.uk

Jaqcui Fulton Equine Law
Tel: 0121 308 5915
jf@equinelawuk.co.uk
www.equinelawuk.co.uk

Hannah Campbell (Specialise in compensation cases)
Tel: 01446 794196
www.horsesolicitor.co.uk
info@horse solicitor

Elizabeth Simpson Senior Solicitor at law firm Andrew M Jackson
Tel: 01482 325242
www.andrewjackson.co.uk
enquiries@andrewjackson.co.uk

David Forbes or Belinda Walkinshaw
Pickworths Solicitors
6 Victoria Street
St Albans
Hertfordshire
AL1 3JB
01727 844511

Mark de-villamar Roberts
Langleys Solicitors Equine Law Group
Tel: 01904 683051
E: mark.Roberts@langleys.com
www.equinelawyers.co.uk

Elizabeth Simpson
Senior Solicitor
Andrew Jackson
Yorkshire
Tel: 01482 325242
www.andrewjackson.co.uk

Richmond Solicitors
13-15 High Street
Keynsham
Bristol
BS31 1DP
Tel: 0117 986 9555
Fax: 0117 986 8680
enquiries@richmonssolicitorsco.uk

Jacqui Fulton
Giselle Robinson Solicitors

Knights Solicitors
Tunbridge Wells
Tel: 01892 537311
www.knights-solicitors.co.uk
Work with GRC Commercial Bailiffs
Senior partner very good on equine matters

Horse Solicitor
Tel: 01446 794 196
info@horsesolicitor.co.uk
www.horsesolicitor.com

www.laytons.com

Mary Ann Reay Charles or Chris Shaw
Shaw and Co Solicitors
Equine Law Specialists
Tel: 0800 019 1248
info@shawandco.com
www.shawandco.com

Arnold Thomson
205 Watling Street West
Towcester
Northants
NN12 6BX
Tel: 01327 350266
Fax: 01327 353567
www.arnoldthomson.com
enquiries@arnoldthomson.com

Tozers www.tozers.co.uk

Eleanor Temple Barrister from Kings Chambers in Leeds
Tel: 0113 242 1123
www.kingschambers.com

Assistance with evictions
Tracy Wright
Shergroup Security
Equine Enforcement
Section 106
Eviction Common Land
Tel: 0845 890 9200
07747 772 318

Andy Shaw
GRC Group
Commercial Baliffs
www.grcgroup.co.uk
 
I have considered the Police route but I'm of the impression that unless she's committed a criminal act - say assaulting me - that they wouldn't be able to get involved.

I've stored the abusive texts but unfortunately the phone calls weren't recorded. In the end I ignored them but she kept ringing from other phones and hiding her number. She's an absolute nightmare.

Its the worst time for it to happen as I'm alone during the day as I'm housebound after being thrown by my horse into a solid fence and broke my pelvis - I won't be up and about properly for weeks. I've never laid eyes on her but I she thinks she knows me and sends really personal (totally untrue) texts... Its bizarre I feel abused in my own home by her!

I would still like to discuss with a solicitor - can anyone recommend one? I think the BHS only give advice but can't actually act in any cases.

get in touch with police due to harassment, ask for a restraining order, she wont be able to enter your property, then agree a time date with others present (maybe the police) to pick up her horses and remove them

sounds like a nitemare for you
 
Oh dear, when will you people learn that you DO have a contract. Taking money for loan of a stable or grazing and facilities constitiutes a contract even where this

I haven't taken any money from her. Sorry I thought I'd explained that side of things but now realise I missed that bit out.
 
I hope this nightmare is over for you soon. My friend had a nightmare of a livery and upset the other only livery. If you are Sussex based what about contacting:

http://www.dawson-hart.co.uk/site/s...esolution_east_sussex/equine_law_east_sussex/

I believe they sponsor some of the local riding club shows around this area.

Here is another link to a few equine related solicitors:
http://www.solicitors.co.uk/equestrian-law/sussex-west/1/

I would also contact BHS if you are a gold member. I have used their equine legal team before and they were really helpful. Called me in the evening too.

I would give them notice to move within 7 days but make sure that you send the letter by Royal Mail Recorded Delivery (now signed for).

Good luck with the Police tonight - I think they will be only interested in the harrassment issues.
 
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Hi,

The police came yesterday evening and were very helpful. She hasn't done anything criminal yet but they took full details and have everything on file now.

Things have moved on a bit and she should be moving tomorrow (fingers crossed!!). The police were going to have a word with her but we decided not to go along that route in case we antagonised her and stopped the move.

It was no surprise to learn that she is known to the police. Also someone (not us or anyone on our yard) has reported her to the RSPCA and one of their officers attached a notice attached to the gate of her field .

..... She's a real gem !!!!
 
Fingers crossed she's out of your hair, once she's actually driving down the drive with them it might be worth a quick call round local yards you're friendly with or a post on local horsey facebook groups to warn other livery yards.

When I had one disappear on me leaving distruction and a large unpaid bill I politely described her horses and suggested anyone who was taking on someone who fitted the description should take a large deposit. I don't think this is bad enough to be liablous (sp?!) or rude but I didn't want anyone else stuck in the same situation as me - it's not fair these people get away with what they do!
 
Agree polosmum.

As long as what you say is unarguably and prove ably true, it is not libellous. Forums like HHO can't allow the comments cos they have no way to check the truth of it but on your own basis / platform you can absolutely state the truth and even name someone provided the above holds true.

A fleet street journo once sued for libel against newspaper that said he was a misogynistic old git basically. And he lost the case cos the evidence basically said it was a true statement!
 
Agree polosmum.

Thanks - to avoid any debate I deliberately did not say anything about what she did or didn't do but just suggested that if someone with XYZ horses turned up looking for immediate livery that the YO should take a large deposit.

I'm pretty sure most YO would be able to work out that she was trouble on the basis of that glowing recommendation!
 
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