Urgent Plea to Deputy District Judge Sandeep Kainth - Amersham Horses

I agree that it is defamatory and if this has been sent to the press then gawd forbid I am afraid the sender can be subject to libel as the case has not been concluded as yet and no one has been found guilty or not guilty at this time.
The newspapers and the press would not print or read out that part anyway as they are well aware of libel laws but the poster on here who has posted and sent this on is guilty of defamation I am afraid to say.
I suggest Admin have a thorough read through all of the posts on the threads with relation to the breaking news and subsequent posts and to delete or remove posts where necessary because while we as forum users would not like for any of it to jeopardise the case in anyway there is also defamation to consider as well.
Caroline
 
AmyMay - as 'keeper' of these animals and they were on his land, Mr Grey does own a 'duty of care' no matter what the outcome as they were in 'his care'
 
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I have to say that I am absolutely devastated at this decision, is it any wonder why the British Justice System dosent work, how on earth can this judge justify returning these poor animals to the nasty Gray family, they are not in danger my arse !!! of course they !!!!!! would a Judge send 3 children back to a family where the other 3 had been starved to death, I think not......

So now that the caring rescue centre's have rescused these lovely animals and put all their time and energy and resources into making them well again they are now to be sent to an auction which can be a terrifying experience for even the fittest animals let alone these poor pyscologically disturbed equines.


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Well said, and the fact that the money from the sale of these animals is going to the Greys is absolutely disgusting, especially after all the time and money that the various charities have put into the animals they rescued.

And you can bet your life they'll sell for more than they would have done in the state they were in before they were rescued.

As someone else said, the Greys must be laughing their heads off.
 
I am absolutely disgusted by this decision, how they can consider sending ANY animals back there i do not know and to sell the other at auction is appalling, they are so stressful and they may be brought by people who don't know what they are doing xx
 
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I seriously think someone should put together a carefully written draft, to which others can mould into their own words. I think most of these letters will actually work against this cause...
 
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as most of these "letters" are at best "emotive and rambling" at worst "defamatory", i should think they would end up in the bin........
 
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as most of these "letters" are at best "emotive and rambling" at worst "defamatory", i should think they would end up in the bin........

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Just what I was thinking, and most of these letter writers would do well to read the warning from Admin at the top of this page...
 
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And remember that all letters must be written respectfully.... it is no good wielding a large amount of abuse at people.....


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-Runs off to change letter-
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Have written mine, Its clean, But it does say how im a thirteen year old and know for a fact what he did was abuse.

Written It, Will be printed tomorrow and Will cycle to the shops to post it FIRST class.
 
Thanks Jane33, have just emailed her. It is really, really important, as others have said, that whatever our feelings of fury and dismay at this decision, we try to keep any letters to the judge or to MPs as rational, factual and unemotional as possible. I know that it is incredibly difficult to do, but anything that contains defamatory statements (at worst), or is mainly an emotional rant, just allows the "powers that be" to instantly dismiss it. Sadly, emotion doesn't carry any weight with the legal mind.

I think that the BHS statement is a good guide, and maybe just sending a version of this in our own words is the best idea?
 
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But it does say how im a thirteen year old and know for a fact what he did was abuse.

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How do you know this for a fact? Because you read it in a paper or someone told you? That does not necessarily mean that it's true...
 
How do you know this for a fact? Because you read it in a paper or someone told you? That does not necessarily mean that it's true...

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Im not going to get in an arguement. There is plenty of videos on the news, on the net.
 
Whilst I agree that it makes sense to not use defamatory comments etc in letters at the same time these letters are the 'voice of the people' and normal people write with emotion and feeling. It is the fact that the people of the UK feel strongly about animal welfare and aren't prepared to sit by and accept such judgements that he needs to hear. If such letters were to influence the judge to throw the case out then the law is an even bigger ass than it seems already!
 
Im still in shock to be truthful, I could'nt believe what I was hearing half an hour ago. Dressage Diva has spoken the words I was thinking as they were reading it on the news. You wouldnt send children back to a family like this, what is going on in this world. Letter to the Judge, local MP, and rspca tomorrow morning. As for the threat that this family may present, I can see what you mean, but he IS a Judge and this should not have a bearing on his decision. Hopefully he will make the right one, for those poor animals sakes!!
 
Hello, heard the shouts even from abroad on hols thanks Ovidius and Lancwyn!). Completely flabberghasted by this development. It doesnt add up. By all means write to the judge but I think you are best to write to the RSPCA to urge them to appeal the first decision of the judge. Sadly appeals are usually not made on the facts but on procedural irregularities or getting the law wrong. I am sure that the RSPCAs lawyers are working hard on it to see what if anything they can do. It does seem like complete madness by the judge, but its difficult to understand without having been there.¨

Straightforward short letters requesting specific action work best eg "I urge you to consider an appeal against this seemingly bizarre decision".

Hasta manana!
 
Hi all, heard my name mentioned
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I think we should try to keep emotions out of letters (hard I know, I've been shaking my head in despair), as well as asking for specific action (such as "reconsider this decision", "appeal against this decision"), and stick only to the facts.

Some earlier posters have mentioned that we should only request they stay in the charities care until after the trial - I completely agree with this, as ultimately we don't know whether he is guilty or not (although I know what I believe!).

How about...

Dear......(MP, PM, Sandeep Kainth etc)

I write with regards to the recent decision to return 29 ponies and donkeys to James Gray and his family.

From my understanding, Mr Gray and his family are still awaiting trial for neglect of over 100 equines at Spindles Farm in Amersham.

Why are these ponies and donkeys being returned before the trial has taken place? Surely such a decision should only be taken once Mr Gray's guilt or innocence has been proven. The charities currently caring for these animals are able to continue to care for them, and should Mr Gray be proven guilty, are able to rehome them.

Why put these ponies and donkeys at risk by returning them to someone who may or may not be guilty of neglecting them in the first place?

<to judge Kainth> I urge you to reconsider this decision, and ensure the welfare of these animals is put above any emotional plea by the defendants.

<to MP's etc> I urge you to use your influence to ensure the welfare of these animals is given first priority.

Yours sincerely/faithfully,

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Feel free to post elsewhere/use this yourself if you think its any good...

Also, does anyone have an email address for Sandeep Kainth? I don't have a printer and can't send a letter!!!!
 
Thats very good Rana. I also don't have a printer and would welcome an email address for Mr Kainth otherwise I might have to send him something in my illegible scrawling handwriting.
 
I have writenn a letter and getting it ready to send off. Does anyone think it would count if i get people to sign there names to it as more support? As hopefully as i work in a feed shop i could customers and the people i work for to sign it so could be a fair few signatures?
 
Glad it's being of some use!

I've just been sent a copy of someone elses letter, I'm sure he won't mind me posting it on here for others to edit/use....

"Dear sir,

I am writing with regard to your recent decision to return 29 ponies and donkeys to James Gray and his family.

I am concerned about two aspects of the judgement:

Firstly, there was ample video evidence of maltreatment and/or neglect of animals in the charge of this family at the time when they were confiscated. Indeed, I believe there is a case outstanding in this regard. Whether the animals were pets or stock, should not carry any weight where there is any doubt about their ongoing welfare.

Secondly, I feel you may have set a dangerous precedent in allowing the remaining horses to go to auction. These horses have been rehabilitated at the expense of a number of charities. To send them to auction, with the profits going to Gray, means that anyone can buy horses, neglect them, have them taken in and cared for by charities and then gain a profit at the end of the day. Surely, this cannot have been your intention.

I hope that you will give further consideration to the disposal of this matter and for the sake of the animals involved, I fervently hope that you reach a different conclusion.

Yours faithfully"

I'm not 100% certain about the "ample video evidence" part but the rest reads pretty well.
 
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