usings pelhams with flash nosebands

[NeverSayNever]

im seeing a lot of pics of competition horses in pelhams combined with flash nosebands, and sometimes grakles.

Are these horses being ridden with no curb chain attached?

My RI explained to me that apart from the flash sitting in the curb groove and impeding it's actoin, you shouldnt need a flash because a bit with a curb chain will still be effective even if the horse does open it's mouth to evade.

here's an example, although all the others ive seen are sj or xc, - actually link is from another post on here, it just reminded me about it as ive wondered for a while
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3LKw2tuh4Y

any thoughts anyone?

 

[madhector]

I use a pelham with a curb and a grakle, curb does nothing to stop a horse crossing its jaw

 

[NeverSayNever]

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I use a pelham with a curb and a grakle, curb does nothing to stop a horse crossing its jaw

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no the curb doesnt, the grakle does... but what my RI was telling me was that if the horse crosses its jaw in a bit with a curb, the bit is still effective therefore a grakle isnt needed..?

 

[madhector]

Having ridden a horse that crossed its jaw as an evasion, the grackle was very much needed even when using a curb

 

[Nats_uk]

I use a pelham with a flash and a curb for xc and hunting and the flash doesn't sit in the curb groove at all.

Here is a pic of me riding in it:
http://www.situpandkick.com/index.php?ma...oducts_id=10655

 

[NeverSayNever]

ahh, ok, thanks for explaining

 

[Janette]

Don't know about the above, but I always thought the curb was needed to stop the cheeks over rotating and putting too much pressure on the poll.

 

[hellybelly6]

I was taught (this was 27 years ago) that a curb bit is not ridden with a flash or grackle or a drop because of the curb chain and the small area of the curb groove.

As I understand, the curb chain comes into affect when the bit is at 45 degs and it is to act as an extra means of communication with the horse.

 

[Cahill]

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I was taught (this was 27 years ago) that a curb bit is not ridden with a flash or grackle or a drop because of the curb chain and the small area of the curb groove.

As I understand, the curb chain comes into affect when the bit is at 45 degs and it is to act as an extra means of communication with the horse.

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same here

 

[Silverspring]

The curbs is the final breaking system, the tighter it is the faster it applies pressure and hopefully breaks! In the wrong hands a curbs chain can fracture a horse's jaw and should always be used with caution, I used to wear a leather curbs, not quite as effective but I didn't have to worry as much when I was pulling to regain control.

I didn't think the flash nose band was supposed to sit in the curb groove though, I think I might have been fitting my flash wrong if this is the case! Lucky I don't use a noseband anymore

Edited: Sorry I should have said this is what I was told, I'm no expert on curb chains

 

[exracergirl]

Agree with Silverspring - maybe some confusion about where the flash/grackle and the curb lie. My curb acts much higher up than the flash lies - the two have never touched?

 

[hellybelly6]

I appreciate that the curb and the flash are not quite in the same area but they are still in a similar area which is very sensitive and also has the potential to pinch it is not something I would do.

The curb chain should not be done up any tighter than when it comes into action when the bit is at 45 degs. I prefer using a leather curb strap rather than a chain.