UTIs in puppies

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First off, I'll say that we are booked into the vet in a few days and I am all ready with a kitty litter tray to catch a big wee sample. So this is in no way in place of veterinary advice, more just because I'm really frustrated and needed to share.

Our 15 week old terrier puppy wees all the time (he wet himself twice in a one hour puppy class last night, and it's a GREAT day if I don't have to mop up wee at any point - I don't remember the last time that happened). He is also obsessed with water and will drink from every water source he passes by. He's alone for 2.5 hours at a time while I'm at work, and while he is totally unbothered by being alone (he has Kongs, toys, chews and his bed, and gets plenty of play and exercise at other times) I often come back to a (big) puddle. We've had to start putting down a puppy pad inside just to give him a way to be clean. He knows exactly what he's supposed to do - when I come back, I open the door, he trots out, wees, gets ham and we celebrate. When we're at home, he will go to the back door to tell us he needs to go and I let him out and repeat the wee, ham, celebrate routine. So he does understand about toileting outside, he just can't seem to hold it. He's dry at night but that's only because we take away his water bowl at 6pm, which seems harsh but is the only way to stop him wetting his bed. In the evening he can wee five or six times in three hours.

The other thing I've noticed is that (bear with me here) wasps seem to be attracted to his wee.

To anyone who would suggest we shouldn't leave him alone and that would fix it, it really wouldn't - he will go outside and then ten minutes later go again on the floor when my back is turned standing at the cooker.

Up until now everyone, vet included, has just said "don't worry, it'll get better" but he's actually getting worse. Does this sound like a UTI? I'm really, really hoping that it is because at least we can just hit that with antibiotics and get him better. But if not, what on earth is going on? He's a great little dog in all other ways.
 
Every terrier I have owned has been a complete ****** to house train - they have no conscience and just don't care.
I have had more bitches than dogs and I understand bitches are prone to UTIs as they can touch the ground while weeing, especially when young.
I would certainly check for a UTI - and if it is it is better to be sooner rather than later for the sample to be tested as you don't want it worsening.
I have also heard of dogs getting compulsion to drink, they like the water so just keep going, was it CC who mentioned that before? Someone did. Does he empty his bowl?
 
Every terrier I have owned has been a complete ****** to house train - they have no conscience and just don't care.
I have had more bitches than dogs and I understand bitches are prone to UTIs as they can touch the ground while weeing, especially when young.
I would certainly check for a UTI - and if it is it is better to be sooner rather than later for the sample to be tested as you don't want it worsening.
I have also heard of dogs getting compulsion to drink, they like the water so just keep going, was it CC who mentioned that before? Someone did. Does he empty his bowl?

He doesn't completely empty his bowl, but that's because it's enormous. If I only give him half a bowl he will drink it all then keep coming back to the empty bowl to lick the bottom of it. I knew that bitches were more prone to UTIs than dogs, and that terriers could be a right pain to house train, which is why I initially wasn't too worried. But jeeez....this is awful. If it turns out that he doesn't have one, I will be roaming the forum in tears begging for advice on what the heck to do next!!
 
I'd take a urine sample in asap-just so you know one way or another.

what you feeding him out of interest?

He's on Royal Canin Mini Junior - any personal experience of that? We're off to the vet at 7am tomorrow and I'm currently working out how to get him to wee on clingfilm tomorrow morning so I can catch it...what fun. Thank you both for your replies, by the way. I'll let you know what the vet comes up with.
 
not of that particular kibble but anecdotally, some kibbles seem to make them drink more than others.

not sure I would try clingfilm-rather use an old cup-as long as its scrubbed clean and well rinsed in boiled water.
 
I would try to find out how much water he should drink a day and restrict a bit, if the vet says that is OK. I think maybe he likes playing with the water?
Do you soak his food? I would do that, so it isn't making him so thirsty as he digests it.
With bitches I use a frying pan, that should work with a pup. Just don't tell anyone!
 
Restricting water can lead to all sorts of health problems and should only ever be done on vets advice.
UTI do not normally make thwm drink lots more but if his body needs the water it could be kidney issues and serious damage can be done by not allowing free access to the water that is needed to flush them.
Hope all is ok tomorrow.
 
It doesn't sound like a UTI - it sounds like diabettes to me, esp with wasps being mroe interested. Assuming it's the same as in humans - when it's not contorlled then their glucose levels are high and they pee out a lot of the glucose. This acts like a diuretic and takes lots of water out, hence weeing lots and large amounts. This then makes them thirsty and they drink lots as a consequence.
If possibly I'd bring the vet appointment as forward as possible as if it is something like that then sooner is always better than later :-)
 
It doesn't sound like a UTI - it sounds like diabettes to me, esp with wasps being mroe interested. Assuming it's the same as in humans - when it's not contorlled then their glucose levels are high and they pee out a lot of the glucose. This acts like a diuretic and takes lots of water out, hence weeing lots and large amounts. This then makes them thirsty and they drink lots as a consequence.
If possibly I'd bring the vet appointment as forward as possible as if it is something like that then sooner is always better than later :-)

Just what I was thinking my nutmeg, please OP try and take him in tomorrow.
Only I've only got experience in humans not dogs, but it was what came to mind immediately.
Hopefully we are both wrong and its nothing or a Uti.
 
It doesn't sound like a UTI - it sounds like diabettes to me, esp with wasps being mroe interested. Assuming it's the same as in humans - when it's not contorlled then their glucose levels are high and they pee out a lot of the glucose. This acts like a diuretic and takes lots of water out, hence weeing lots and large amounts. This then makes them thirsty and they drink lots as a consequence.
If possibly I'd bring the vet appointment as forward as possible as if it is something like that then sooner is always better than later :-)

Exactly what I was thinking! I wouldn't restrict his overnight water, from 6pm til morning is a *very* long time. Why not put puppy pads down for him overnight, so that at least you don't have to mop up every morning.
As for the sample, could you push a saucer, or similar under him?
 
Sorry I missed you are taking her to the very first thing tomorrow.
I Use a saucer like pearlsasinger.
Good luck in the morning.
 
Thank you everyone for replying, I appreciate it. I took him to vet at 7am today with a nice bottle of wee for the vet (lucky vet!) and the answer is...there is nothing wrong with him!

It doesn't sound like a UTI - it sounds like diabettes to me, esp with wasps being mroe interested.

I was also really worried about diabetes because of the wasps, but apparently there is no excess glucose in his urine (and this was proper concentrated first thing in the morning pee) and his kidney function appears totally normal. So I'm very relieved really, I'm glad he's not in pain and there's probably nothing wrong. The vet has suggested monitoring his water intake (so no more puddles and flowerpots for him for a few days!) just to double check it's not massively excessive, but chances are he just looooves to drink. She said hopefully he would grow out of it (too right). We do take his water away at night but otherwise he gets to drink as much as he wants regularly.

I was chatting to the receptionist who said she had a 12 week old puppy who also constantly drinks and pees, to the point where she did exactly the same as me and had him checked for all the possible things that might be wrong, and found....nothing. So perhaps this obsession with water is just a semi-normal puppy thing that I had never heard of! Here's hoping he grows out of it....

I would try to find out how much water he should drink a day and restrict a bit, if the vet says that is OK. I think maybe he likes playing with the water?
Do you soak his food? I would do that, so it isn't making him so thirsty as he digests it.
With bitches I use a frying pan, that should work with a pup. Just don't tell anyone!

Clodagh, soaking his food is a good idea and definitely worth a try (thank you, and thanks for your PM – all points duly noted!) - he doesn't seem terribly keen on mushy things though so I might try boiling some chicken bones and using some of that water so it's nice and flavoured on his food. I agree that I think he does just like water, and unfortunately we do have to take his bowl away prior to car journeys or he ends up sat in a puddle. I did use clingfilm in the end – I clingfilmed the area he normally wees on and syringed it up once he’d finished – he found this fascinating and watched me with his head on one side! I thoroughly enjoyed the mental image of you sneaking up behind a weeing puppy to slide in a frying pan.
 
I did use clingfilm in the end – I clingfilmed the area he normally wees on and syringed it up once he’d finished – he found this fascinating and watched me with his head on one side! .

Tell me, do your neighbours houses overlook yours? If so they may be deeply concerned about you!!
 
Tell me, do your neighbours houses overlook yours? If so they may be deeply concerned about you!!

It's alright, on one side they have a 3 year old and a 1 year old, and on the other side they smoke something so funky it gives me a headache. We're normal! It's all relative!
 
Just what I was thinking my nutmeg, please OP try and take him in tomorrow.
Only I've only got experience in humans not dogs, but it was what came to mind immediately.
Hopefully we are both wrong and its nothing or a Uti.

Me too.

OP - am so pleased nothing is actually wrong.
My mare is a little like this - she drinks and pees a lot to the point when I first had her I got the vets to investigate as it concerned me. Part of that was doing a 'measure daily intake' thing - more than 80l in 24 hours!
 
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