Vaccination or Titer test

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Hello,

My two huskies is about for annual check. But one thing that I really concern about it which is annual booster vaccine (not too sure the spelling vaccin or vaccine).

Some background of my dogs: both male ( still a dog) one 5yr old, other 2 yr old. Both are pet dogs rather than working dogs.
Both of them have completed the puppy vaccine courses while ago and did annual booster up to dated.

So, the question is: Should I give them another jab or carry the titer test for them?

Since I have read that some articles said actually mammals do have some degree of anti-body to against certain virus? ( not too sure virus or bateria here)

Do they really need a boost or that is a marketing thing in pharmaceutical industry?

Bonnie
 
My Dobes are coming up to 4yrs old and when they are due their booster I am going to request the vet does blood titers instead. Depending on their level of immunity if it is low they will have a booster if not they wont. They will defiantely be getting the Lepto vaccination though as it has a limited life and I wont risk them.
 
Dobiegirl said:
My Dobes are coming up to 4yrs old and when they are due their booster I am going to request the vet does blood titers instead. Depending on their level of immunity if it is low they will have a booster if not they wont. They will defiantely be getting the Lepto vaccination though as it has a limited life and I wont risk them.
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How much was the test cost you? Just want to have an idea of price.
 
Are they insured as not having boosters will invalidate most insurance policies.

I would suggest at least one more full booster for the two year old and then go to alternate booster <> half boosters. The lepto, Parvo & parainfluenza part given each year and the DH part given biannually.
 
s4sugar said:
Are they insured as not having boosters will invalidate most insurance policies.

I would suggest at least one more full booster for the two year old and then go to alternate booster <> half boosters. The lepto, Parvo & parainfluenza part given each year and the DH part given biannually.
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That's a good thought, I haven't thought that bit. Sometimes it is really silly where the place don't accept a valid test result as a proof of resistance to certain disecase.

I don't want to over-dose them really. Dilemma

No, they don't have insurance so far, I m not too sure about it either and, they cost quite amount of money to cover per month 80 pounds for 2 dogs per month.
 
If you were to get your dog Insured it probably wouldnt cover for parvo & distemper but then if its blood results are good you wouldnt need it for that.

At the moment Im waiting for a reply from Dobermann Welfare who I adopted my dogs from to see if they are happy for me to titer test rather than vaccinate.

I had discussed this with my vets briefly but expect the titre test to cost more than the vaccinating especialy as I will still be vaccinating for Lepto, but Im not doing it for the money just I hate the idea of putting chemicals in my dogs bodies and lowering their immune system.
 
Dobiegirl said:
If you were to get your dog Insured it probably wouldnt cover for parvo & distemper but then if its blood results are good you wouldnt need it for that.

At the moment Im waiting for a reply from Dobermann Welfare who I adopted my dogs from to see if they are happy for me to titer test rather than vaccinate.

I had discussed this with my vets briefly but expect the titre test to cost more than the vaccinating especialy as I will still be vaccinating for Lepto, but Im not doing it for the money just I hate the idea of putting chemicals in my dogs bodies and lowering their immune system.
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I aware the titer test does come up at a higher cost. That's makes me think twice for it, but after reading some articles and gain advises from others. Now, I believe having a titer test to test out the level of the anti-body wouldn't be a bad idea before "top-up" any of those. Actually, I am a bit careless about this, feels sorry for the 5yrs old one.
 
I have 2 Tollers and have not had my youngest (now 6 yrs old) ever vaccinated, because it is now known that the vaccination can trigger SRMA within the breed. I have chosen to go the homeopathic route instead. I was honest with my insurance company and gave them my reasons, and they said they would still cover me, except for any disease that could have been prevented by having the vaccination. Interestingly though, if you read the small print of your policy, I think you will find that you are not covered for any illnesses/reactions to the vaccines!!!
 
Superhot said:
I have 2 Tollers and have not had my youngest (now 6 yrs old) ever vaccinated, because it is now known that the vaccination can trigger SRMA within the breed. I have chosen to go the homeopathic route instead. I was honest with my insurance company and gave them my reasons, and they said they would still cover me, except for any disease that could have been prevented by having the vaccination. Interestingly though, if you read the small print of your policy, I think you will find that you are not covered for any illnesses/reactions to the vaccines!!!
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Thank you for that, actually where did you or how did you find out Tollers would have SRMA problem with vaccination.

What is worrying about, Vets normally wouldn't have much an idea about the vaccination, they seems to be educated from canine pharmaceutical industry where "recommend" to have a half annual booster. But does it really they do it as a marketing reason or canine really need one?
and I found difficult to find resources to study about it.
 
Superhot-and where did you find the info about the SRMA ? Are you not concerned about your dog catching parvo virus, or leptospirosis? do you really think homeopathy will protect them?
 
I've been involved with the Toller Club for many years, and knew when different pups became ill and owners were asking for help/advice. Research has also been carried out and I believe that the initial vaccination, given too soon on top of the trauma of leaving mum and siblings, seems to be the trigger. The first season, being put into kennels and other stressful situations can also bring it on. My pups litter mate developed it and I decided I wouldn't risk it. I do believe the homeopathic alternative does give protection. I'm certainly not vaccinating my dogs to save money or to get the benefits of other people who do. I have a young Labrador and she is vaccinated. My eldest Toller is nearly 15 and 2 of her littermates had SRMA and developed hypothyroidism, as has my old girl, so again, there is no way I'm going to compromise her immune system further by vaccinating her.
 
Superhot said:
You might also find http://www.canine-health-concern.org.uk/ of interest... The founder, Catherine O'Driscoll lost 3 Goldies which she attributes to vaccinations, and having done huge amounts of research, wrote a book called what the vets don't tell you'. Keep an open mind and take a look!
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I went to a seminar where she spoke - totally obsessive and had very skewed statistics. She keeps quiet about the goldies being closely related and from short lived lines. Her studies were based on biased research - Survey questionaires headed "have you had a problem" or similar will not give accurate results and she was comparing apples & oranges in her charts.


I lost puppies to parvo (pre vaccines in the early 80s) and took part in titre trials with a group of vets and vaccine company.
I would not risk not getting puppy vaccines at least but prefer to start after nine weeks and give them in stages rather than all in one go.

There were some trials of nosodes v. vaccines about 20 years ago but they stopped when the nosode set died.

The place to get information on vaccines is on the product data sheets.
 
I have talked to the vet clinic recently, they said Lepto antibody is one of the dog can't produce naturally. Therefore having titer test to analysis, still recommend to have a jab for Lepto. Also they natural behavior of dog is highly explose to natural where can pick up disease easier than human ( as human don't sniff the around). In early days, dogs usually have a "whole" vaccination, where recently they (manufacture) suggest to have a "whole" every 3 year and a "half" vaccine every year. ( We are talking adult dog, not puppy here)
However, I still doubt where the study from, are they 100% true and reliable. In fact, I am not doing for money, and taking blood test does cost a quite a bit of money to do, but if they don't need a booster why should we keep "re-fill" on top?
As a dog owner, consumer, we should have rights to know these studies.
 
s4sugar said:
I went to a seminar where she spoke - totally obsessive and had very skewed statistics. She keeps quiet about the goldies being closely related and from short lived lines. Her studies were based on biased research - Survey questionaires headed "have you had a problem" or similar will not give accurate results and she was comparing apples & oranges in her charts.


I lost puppies to parvo (pre vaccines in the early 80s) and took part in titre trials with a group of vets and vaccine company.
I would not risk not getting puppy vaccines at least but prefer to start after nine weeks and give them in stages rather than all in one go.

There were some trials of nosodes v. vaccines about 20 years ago but they stopped when the nosode set died.

The place to get information on vaccines is on the product data sheets.
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My vet does recommend to complete the puppy course, although the mother of puppies do offer/ pass some anti-bodies to puppies, but the level of the immunity is on the weak side, so the need to have the vaccine in puppy is more essential than adult dog.
 
Toffee44 said:
In am very lucky to have a leading vet for holistic care. He said that you only need to titre test 3yrly. Google mark Elliot.
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Ooo~ Just read a first few lines of his writing. It seems a quality paper to read.
Thank you for sharing. On his website has somethings seem good to read too.

It is really lucky for you and your beloved pet to have a vet do really care about animal welfare.
 
Susie T. Only if she contracts it...you might disagree with me, that's your choice. I intended to vaccinate her at 12 weeks, but in the interim I attended the CHC course. At the end of it I was still undecided, and Catherine told me to close my eyes, visualize my dog receiving the vaccine and hand on heart, how did I feel? So I went the homeopathic route.
 
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