Vaccine Reaction

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Having a panic this evening as our pony had his flu and tet booster today at 11am and this evening was dog lame.

He went back out to the field after the jab, came in at normal time very early afternoon (he's ems so is muzzled and on restricted turnout) and was fine.

I went back up at 5.30pm, got him out of his stable and he was very uncomfortable.

Luckily, a vet was visiting the yard so I asked him to take a look. The vet said he was very sore in his chest and he was lame on his near fore, which is the side he had the injection in.

He had an injection of Metacam and I'm to pick up liquid Metacam tomorrow, which the manufacturer will apparently refund, not that I'm worried about costs right now, more so that having read a few articles about vaccine induced laminitis, I'm now besides myself with worry.

He had no heat, pulses etc, but was very very uncomfortable. He was 10x more lame than when he had his first bout of very mild laminitis at the end of May, where he was ever so slightly pottery on a tight circle. This really concerns me that he was so lame this evening and if it is vaccine induced laminitis, that it's much much worse than he was with his, then undiagnosed, EMS out of control, as his pottery turn was barely noticeable and many of my barn buddies thought I was being my normal neurotic self ?

I'm absolutely dreading going up first thing and won't sleep a wink tonight.

I'm utterly devastated. We've worked so hard to get him fit and healthy, his feet are great, he's in great condition, I kill myself to be up at stupid o'clock to get him out early when the grass sugars are low, he's exercised daily, I'm so strict about everything, to ensure he's in tip top condition etc

Has anyone else experienced this or am I overthinking?
 

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I have heard of steroid induced laminitis, and of vaccine reactions as in swelling around the injection site, but not of laminitis caused by flu and tet. But every day's a lesson....Good luck, hope he's better tomorrow.
 

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I have heard of steroid induced laminitis, and of vaccine reactions as in swelling around the injection site, but not of laminitis caused by flu and tet. But every day's a lesson....Good luck, hope he's better tomorrow.

I hadn't either, until I started searching for vaccine reaction symptoms. It's mentioned on the laminitis site too but I'm struggling to make sense of the medical article. Probably because I'm in panic mode.

Thank you ?
 

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I hadn't either, until I started searching for vaccine reaction symptoms. It's mentioned on the laminitis site too but I'm struggling to make sense of the medical article. Probably because I'm in panic mode.

Thank you ?
OOh, yes, I've just done a very quick google, it seems those with metabolic issues and Cushings can have this reaction. As I said, every day's a lesson, and am grateful to you for posting this as I have a Cushings horse and the vet has never mentioned this risk to me...
 

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I think it is much more likely that it is swelling and soreness in the chest at the injection site and he'll be much improved by the time you get there in the morning.

I understand why you are worried though. I'm the same with this like that, worst case scenario and then my brain won't leave it alone. I hope you manage to get some sleep and pony is feeling much better tomorrow.
 

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I think it is much more likely that it is swelling and soreness in the chest at the injection site and he'll be much improved by the time you get there in the morning.

I understand why you are worried though. I'm the same with this like that, worst case scenario and then my brain won't leave it alone. I hope you manage to get some sleep and pony is feeling much better tomorrow.

Thank you.

We learn a new thing every day - I'd never heard of vaccines having potential to induce laminitis for those with EMS and PPID.

Gosh, they're such a worry! My brain now needs to switch off.
 

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OOh, yes, I've just done a very quick google, it seems those with metabolic issues and Cushings can have this reaction. As I said, every day's a lesson, and am grateful to you for posting this as I have a Cushings horse and the vet has never mentioned this risk to me...

We never stop learning. Curveballs at every turn ?

I've not had anyone mention it to me either and the vet I had today knows he's EMS as she was the one who did his karo syrup bloods and also took his xrays. She was asking before she jabbed him how he was getting on with restricted grazing and his muzzle....
 

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I would agree that it’s probably due to swelling around the injection site, perhaps it has travelled down and inflammed his leg? Mine is EMS laminitic and thankfully he doesn’t go lame as such after vaccinations but he does swell badly at the injection site.

I was always told with metabolic laminitics that if wormers/vaccinations bring on a laminitic attack it’s a sign that there’s an attack already brewing or that insulin levels etc etc are out of sync.
 

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I would agree that it’s probably due to swelling around the injection site, perhaps it has travelled down and inflammed his leg? Mine is EMS laminitic and thankfully he doesn’t go lame as such after vaccinations but he does swell badly at the injection site.

I was always told with metabolic laminitics that if wormers/vaccinations bring on a laminitic attack it’s a sign that there’s an attack already brewing or that insulin levels etc etc are out of sync.

Not from what I've read. It's something to do with a reduced uptake of something but I can't make head nor tail of the medical article.

Eurgh, horses sometimes ?
 

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Update - very stiff this morning, no fever, loss of appetite etc.

I've turned him out, hoping being able to stretch his legs will help, rather than him being stuck in.

No heat, pulses or any localised swelling in his leg, not favouring soft over hard ground as he did in May but notiecably lame on nearside fore.
 

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Update - very stiff this morning, no fever, loss of appetite etc.

I've turned him out, hoping being able to stretch his legs will help, rather than him being stuck in.

No heat, pulses or any localised swelling in his leg, not favouring soft over hard ground as he did in May but notiecably lame on nearside fore.
Thanks for the update, was wondering how he was this morning , hope you managed to get a bit of sleep!
 

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He is running a fever and has lots of inflammation in his chest muscle.

Box rest and painkillers until it subsides.

After speaking with the vet, I may opt for the neck next time, rather than the chest.

I've always chosen the chest over neck but seeing him unable to control his leg is awful.
 

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He is running a fever and has lots of inflammation in his chest muscle.

Box rest and painkillers until it subsides.

After speaking with the vet, I may opt for the neck next time, rather than the chest.

I've always chosen the chest over neck but seeing him unable to control his leg is awful.
Poor boy, and poor you! Hope you see a rapid improvement , and you both have a more comfortable ( and sleep inducing!) night! Keep us posted x
 

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What a shame, he’s a handsome little guy. It sounds more like a general reaction to the vaccine than related to the ems. I hope he recovers well.
 

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I have had a horse vaccinated in the rump because she swelled so badly when it was in the chest.

I hope he soon recovers.

Years ago, I had one done in the rump and he had a horrendous abscess. That's why, in my infinite wisdom, or maybe not so, I've always injected in the pecs as if there is drainage, gravity helps.

He's much perkier this morning but still toe dragging lame ?

I hope the next 24 hours sees an improvement.
 

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I've gad

Ice had one done in the rump after s massive swelling in the neck - but only happened once. Was absolutely fine ( touch wood!) after that.

A friend was telling me that her mums horse had a reaction to a neck injection and couldn't eat as he couldn't put his head down.

It seems reactions are more common that we first think.
 

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He's an absolute gem and we adore him. Poor little guy, I feel like the worst person ever right now.
Yes, it's hard when doing the right thing goes wrong! The vets will pass all this on to the vaccine manufacturer, so it's a lesson for them too. Glad to hear he's feeling better in himself today, and hope you got some sleep!
 

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What was the brand of vaccine? We had flu & tet done years ago in the neck and he couldn’t lift his neck to eat for a few days. Ever since, I’ve always requested not to have that make. We’ve used Proteq for the last 10years and he’s thankfully fine with that. He has localised swelling but that’s the worst thankfully.
 

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What was the brand of vaccine? We had flu & tet done years ago in the neck and he couldn’t lift his neck to eat for a few days. Ever since, I’ve always requested not to have that make. We’ve used Proteq for the last 10years and he’s thankfully fine with that. He has localised swelling but that’s the worst thankfully.

We had to restart his vaccinations when we got him.

He had Equillis for the first 2 and was fine, Proteq Flu for his 3rd and was fine. This booster which has caused the reaction was Proteq Flu and Tet.

He's in much less pain than yesterday but the lameness and toe dragging isn't any better.

It's like he can't life and swing his leg forward.
 
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