vanner colt...opinions =)

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just wondering what everyone thinks of my little man...do you think he could add to a vanner breeding proramme? the judges seemed to like him over the season (when he didnt embarrass himself anyway) [image]
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please ignore poo stains and the bandage...he had an abscess, poor sod
 
im aware he doesnt have great feather at the moment but it has improved and mud never helps, i was hoping for conformation more than feather, when his hoof has healed fully ill be doing all i can to help that grow after it has been broken from our time down south. it was touching the floor at the end of summer but hey hoe, and its nots so bad for a yearling, just not exceptional =)
 
not enough feather, not enough bone,

i think you have answered your own question really with your comment, not so bad for a yearling, but not exceptional. exceptional is what you should be looking for
 
Nope, he's not nice enough to be stallion IMO. Sorry.

He's toe out in front and looks sickle hocked, post-legged and cow hocked behind. He look to have an overly thick, low-set and slightly ewe neck. He also doesn't have enough bone nor feather to make a gooc traditional. Maybe the photo's don't do him justice but he doesn't look stallion quality.

I have a similar now-2.5year old coloured cob gelding for whom the same decision was made. He's nice (really nice!) but not quite outstanding enough, depsite being sired by a prolific show-winning graded stallion.

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I am not a coloured horse person, so just looking at him as a horse, not going to point out his bad points as enough people have already done that, but his good points are:

I like his shoulder and I love his depth through the body, he looks well grown for a yearling. I am not surprised that he has done well locally as he is a pretty chappie and nicely marked.
 
I don't know anything about Vanners, but I would say that if you're not 100% certain, then better a nice gelding than a poor stallion. Very, very few horses are truly stallion potential.
 
=) thanks for equalling out the good n bad points, he gets till spring either way but his personality might decide for him if his brain gets lodged in his pants so to speak. other than that, we'll see what circumstances are, to alesea i love him as a colt and would love to give him the chance to prove himself but if it ends up that as a colt he ends up on his own (which ive been very lucky with till now anyway) id rather have him happy and save up for some land and a 2nd colt which he could be companion and boss over.

to simsar, vanners are the horses that you see pulling the gypsy caravans XD
 
I think there are some overly rude people on this thread - kallibear your photo shows an animal who is not 'all that' as well he just happens to be show ring clean
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OP, I am a cob fan and I do think that you have a nice looking, well marked little fella there. However he doesn't look like he has quite enough bone, so I'd be inclined to enjoy him as a lovely gelding myself.

Marvie, I think the point that Kallibear was making is that her cob is nice but still not special enough to breed from and so has been gelded.
 
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I think there are some overly rude people on this thread - kallibear your photo shows an animal who is not 'all that' as well he just happens to be show ring clean
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[/ QUOTE ] I think you are missing the point of the thread, Marvie. The OP has asked whether her colt is good enough to be kept as a stallion, and the general consensus was that whilst he was a nice animal, he has some faults that mean he is not really a stallion prospect.

Kallibear posted her photos, NOT to say her horse was perfect, but to illustrate a similar stamp of animal for whom the decision to geld was made.
 
Yes, well say 'sorry he is not of sufficient quality' not rip to shreds.
I am not a cob fan,imho i feel that too many coloured cobs are produced pureley for colour and lack basic good all round conformation, vanners are typical of this and if several freisian dairy cows were mixed in with some of the competitors in show classes judges would have a tough time deciding the placings.
 
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Yes, well say 'sorry he is not of sufficient quality' not rip to shreds.

[/ QUOTE ] But that approach doesn't actually help the OP understand exactly WHY the horse isn't the required quality to be a stallion. However, I do agree that it is more tactful to give some good conformation points when also pointing out the bad, but I must say I think the rudest comments on this thread have actually come from you!
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He's not bad, nice short back, although neck is a bit upright for me, and I'm not sure about his legs. Markings are nice though, although I personally hate the broken edges, makes a horse look like it's crumbling imo!

But mud or no mud, he ain't ever going to feather out. It's a gypsy myth that it gets better with age.

The honest truth... Geld it. He'll show nicely as a coloured and as a trad vanner, but will never be worth anything as a stallion.
 
hes nice, possibly a bit upright hoof wise but he has a lovely pony head and looks like he has nice flat bone and lovely feather.

and thanks for the comments on mine, probably will end up gelding him but think ill take him to an evaluation just for the fun really, the ones i saw yesterday didnt have anything major on him. if i do geld him ill save up and buy another colt or a filly if i dont have my own land.
 
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