Verbindend vs. Cotswold Sport?

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I'm thinking of trying my fleshy tongued, over dramatic mare in a bit of this style and was wondering how much difference there is (apart from material and price) between the Verbindend and the Cotswold Sport Tongue Saver?

Many thanks in advance :)
 
Wow! What on earth are these things you speak of? Always learning me... sorry no help at all.
 
Sorry, they are bits. I am told they are shaped to allow more tongue room / less tongue pressure.
 
Ah, I see.

Well, having now googled them both, they both look more or less the same except one is a loose ring and the other is a baucher.

The mouthpeice looks like it would suit the mare you describe. Have you found out what she is sensitive to? Is it tongue or bar pressure? If tongue then the baucher may be better. The verbindend looks like it would be kinder on the bars.
 
i have a verbindend for my gelding (was to encourage better contact) and have been happy with it, although a new instructor told me it was a sever bit, but i dont see how that is so!
 
Paint Me Proud said:
i have a verbindend for my gelding (was to encourage better contact) and have been happy with it, although a new instructor told me it was a sever bit, but i dont see how that is so!
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It is considered severe in some circles, all the curved mouthpieces seem to be seen as so.

The thinking behind it is that, even though it gives the tongue more room, for swallowing; on contact, it restricts the tongue more than a normal snaffle would as the "u" shape traps the tongue and rests on the bars anyway and pinches because of the "straight" surface where the lozenge is.

Each horse is different and if it works, brilliant, if not, thousands of bits to go and try out until you find one that suits the combination :)
 
I'm not sure whether its her tongue or bars that are sensitive, I've never actually tried her in anything loose ring so it could well be bars. The main conclusions that I have come to are;
She has a massive tongue that flaps about even when she's relaxing, the dentist seems to think its been held and pulled at some point.

She doesn't like single joints, she will not close her mouth in this type of bit.

She didn't like the waterford she was in when I tried her, it was almost as though she was trying to spit it out.

She's not keen on french link but will tolerate one, she isn't relaxed though.

The best results I've had are with a kimblewick but she backs of it when jumping. (I thought it was my riding but this has been assessed and it also doesn't happen in the other bits).

She has old scarring in her mouth that dentist and vet have said don't seem to physically affect her but I think however she got the scars still mentally affects her.

I've been riding her in an english hackamore which she schools and jumps nicely in but I'd like to start doing a bit of dressage and obviously hackamore will be no good if we want to compete.
Sorry for the essay :o
 
FoxTrotx said:
I'm not sure whether its her tongue or bars that are sensitive, I've never actually tried her in anything loose ring so it could well be bars. The main conclusions that I have come to are;
She has a massive tongue that flaps about even when she's relaxing, the dentist seems to think its been held and pulled at some point.

She doesn't like single joints, she will not close her mouth in this type of bit.

She didn't like the waterford she was in when I tried her, it was almost as though she was trying to spit it out.

She's not keen on french link but will tolerate one, she isn't relaxed though.

The best results I've had are with a kimblewick but she backs of it when jumping. (I thought it was my riding but this has been assessed and it also doesn't happen in the other bits).

She has old scarring in her mouth that dentist and vet have said don't seem to physically affect her but I think however she got the scars still mentally affects her.

I've been riding her in an english hackamore which she schools and jumps nicely in but I'd like to start doing a bit of dressage and obviously hackamore will be no good if we want to compete.
Sorry for the essay :o
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You are allowed to compete in a hackamore provided you show the judge the veterinary report to show she has a mouth injury. It sounds as if she has :(

If she goes well in a hackamore, then, don't upset her with a bit. If you can control the horse, that is al that matters.
 
She does work nicely in her hackamore, the only thing I wouldn't want to do is galloping in it. She does usually listen to me when I ask her to stop without me really using the reins but she gets carried away with fast work, bless her.
I didn't know about being able to compete in a hackamore, thats useful, thank you :)
 
FoxTrotx said:
She does work nicely in her hackamore, the only thing I wouldn't want to do is galloping in it. She does usually listen to me when I ask her to stop without me really using the reins but she gets carried away with fast work, bless her.
I didn't know about being able to compete in a hackamore, thats useful, thank you :)
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If fast work you have no restrictions in SJ or xc so use a kimblewick or other "mutiple pressure" bits such as curbed bits to alleviate pressure from being on just one point. curb bits allow poll and curb pressure so distributes the message to the whole head... in the nicest possible way and you only need a light touch the majority of the time.

I cannot do fast work with my boy in a snaffle... I change bridles and use a curb! I do not want to sail over a hedge with no stirrups ever again.
 
I did suspect that is why the kimblewick has suited best so far and the fact she is comfortable in the hackamore suggests to me that she finds poll/curb pressure to be acceptable (I know some horses hate it, I saw an ex racer rear over backwards when his owner tried him in a hackamore). I was thinking of trying a Bombers Happy Tongue kimblewick a while ago but don't think I can justify that sort of money on an occasional fast hack bit. We'll perhaps just stick to whats working ;)
 
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