Very Bad Arthritis - What would you do??

DannyBoy22

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Hi all,

I took my beautiful old boy DannyBoy, turned 22 this month, to the vets yesterday and it's been decided that following a nasty fall a few weeks ago he needs to be retired permanently. :(

Tests showed that he has got arthritis in all 4 legs and his back which will have been developing for sometime but has been hidden by him and his eagerness to continue until the fall has made it rear it's ugly head. The vet has said considering how bad it is and how much pain and discomfort he is in she would expect him to be a lot lamer and not really wanting to move.

He has also developed scurvy which she has put down to him being generally run down and lacking vitamin E, the vet is slightly concerned that he hasn't put on any weight staying at 475kg (he's a big built 15.1HH Sectioned D Welsh Cob) despite the new summer grazing and is pretty convinced from cuttings out of his ear that he has come from a travellers community at some point which would obviously mean a lot of trotting etc on roads which won't have helped his legs and also thinks he might be slightly older than we think despite him having very good teeth even for 22. I can only trace his history back as far as 10 -12 years ago.

For now she has said if he is happy plodding in the field with his sister and maybe occasionally having 15-20min no more walks in hand (to help his mental state not physical because he can't be cured) then we will try him on bute (1 and half daily) for a month with vegetable oil and a supplement containing vitamin E and others which includes a muscle anti-oxident in his feed to see if we can give him a bit of a boost and make him comfortable, if not then she said we will need to think about having him PTS or if we can make him comfortable pump him full of bute for the rest of his life.

His liver and kidneys have been tested and they are fine.

He was put on bute, at the same dose, for 2 weeks after the fall and to be honest we didn't see a difference.

What would you do? Is it fair to put him through all this as he has worked so hard all his life? Won't the bute kill him anyway? I'm such a mess I can't think straight. He couldn't do a simple flexion test and go into walk yesterday! :(

Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
 
Sorry to hear about your boy.

Horses can tolerate bute, but long term in can cause liver damage.

Can your horse get up easily after lying down or rolling, if the answer is no, then I think you've got your answer :-(

If you're struggling with weight gain, then I'd also test for cushings too.

I said goodbye to my 32yo 2 weeks ago, age had caught up with her, and I didn't want to be in the position where she couldn't get up.
 
I am sorry to hear about Dannyboy but it seems to me that he's had a nice life with you even if his earlier life was a bit tough. It's always a difficult decision to pts a horse that's suffering with arthritis as we never really know how much pain they are in but I think, as owners, we are the best to make the decision. My oldie is managing fine at the moment, i've even taken him off bute completely now it's warm but I know he'll need it once the weather gets cold and wet, however, I wouldn't put him through another winter unless I could keep him relatively comfortable.
 
I think lots of animals and people suffer with arthritis. If he is having a flare up this may settle down with some bute and gentle exercise. If you can offer him a retirement with some medication and he seems to tollerate the bute well, why not give it some time. The bute will work better as time goes by by gradually reducing inflammation in the body as well as killing the pain. There isn a short term and longterm effect of painkikllers which is why its important to keep giving them regularly. Of course there are longterm risks to other organs from any meds, but this may or may not cause a problem in the future. Better to just deal with what you can see now as you may never have an issue from that. I would wait and see, if he seems ok and you can improve him a bit, then he can still have a happy existance. Lots of people live with pain every day. Its never a guarantee that you can live your life pain free sadly. Pain can be managed and if it becomes overbearing then you will know when it is time to call it a day. At least you will have tried. Good luck, so sorry you find yourself in this position. I had this type of diagnosis on my cat a few years back, when diagnosed he was actually collapsing from nerve impingement. I didnt even know he was in pain before he collapsed!! I thought he was going to be in agony until I had to PTS but after some steroids he seemed absolutely fine for about 2 years! I even stopped the steroids and he didnt relapse. Unfortunately he got run over by a car whiloe I was away on holiday! So as I said, he didnt die due to the arthritic condition in the end anyway!
 
If he can be kept comfortable on bute, then give him a retirement.

If he is not comfortable plodding round the field on bute PTS.

I wouldn't worry about the long term affect of bute in his case as at his age.
 
My little lady is 24 and has been on 1 danillon a day for just under a year now for her stiffness. She can still get up and down without the danillon but it just makes her feel a little more lively. She loves life so much and even though she's now retired, not due to her arthritis she's so happy and loves rolling and walking around. Vet told me, whose treated her 10+ years, she'll be dead before any effect from the danillon so why not let her enjoy her life with some pain relief.
 
Thank you for your advice. DannyBoy is plodding round the field and trying to hide all the pain and discomfort even now but I can see it in his eyes that he is suffering despite the bute. I know that the winter will cripple him with the wet and cold weather and he will just be miserable.

I also would have to integrate him back with the other horses, including a new 3 year old that is full of it, over excitable and trys to beat the others up especially DannyBoy because he is such a gentle giant (her owners are new to horses and decided it would be wonderful to buy a youngster not knowing how much work it takes! Now she is stuck in a field with a load of oldies doing nothing bless her, she's already broken my old Shetland pony's rib!) This scenario wouldn't be fair for him either. We do not have enough grazing to keep them separated during winter and I couldn't move him to a different yard now at his age, he took a good year to settle at this yard.

Because of all this, I have decided to have one last summer with him and he will be put to sleep before the winter sets in. I think it is the kindest thing I can do for him, I know I wouldn't like to live in that much pain all my life.

I have decided to say goodbye to my Shetland pony at the same time as I know that she will miss her big brother so much. She has lived with Laminitis on and off for the past 7 years and has also got Cushings. Her feet are badly damaged and she spends a lot of her time very uncomfortable too. My grandad bought her for me 24 years ago and sadly suddenly passed away a month later so there is a lot of sentimental value which has made my mum determined to fight on with Sumi (feeling she was the last link to her dad) despite her nearly dying on a few occassions. Having had a talk mum has finally realised that the time is now right.

Sumi will turn 25 on 8th August, we have decided to get her to that milestone and after that ask the vet to put her and DannyBoy to sleep together. They will then be cremated together and their ashes returned to me. I will have rings made for my mother and me with some of the ashes so that they will forever and always be with us.

I'm so sorry to everyone for the long sad thread. Thank you again. xxx
 
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Because of all this, I have decided to have one last summer with him and he will be put to sleep before the winter sets in. I think it is the kindest thing I can do for him, I know I wouldn't like to live in that much pain all my life.


Sumi will turn 25 on 8th August, we have decided to get her to that milestone and after that ask the vet to put her and DannyBoy to sleep together. They will then be cremated together and their ashes returned to me. I will have rings made for my mother and me with some of the ashes so that they will forever and always be with us.

I'm so sorry to everyone for the long sad thread. Thank you again. xxx
You are in my humble opinion doing the very best for your horse and have made a very difficult decision using the information you have to hand and advice from others.

You sound an empathic and caring owner and Danny and Sumi are so lucky to have you. I hope you find the strength and peace when the time comes and until that sad time comes to say goodbye, I send you all my love x
 
That is a very touching thing to do,

It sounds like you're doing the very best thing. I always try to live by, how will you feel in 10 years looking back and thinking about them, will there be regrets etc. A day too soon than a day too late, etc. It's an incredibly selfless thing you're doing for the both of them, and I can't think of anything 'better' than letting two pass on together.

I'm sorry you are to lose them both, you are a very honest and caring owner :(
 
Extremely sad but you are doing right by your horses and that is one of the biggest responsibilities we have when we own animals. They were both lucky to find you as an owner, someone who truly has their best interests at heart right to the end. Savor and cherish every moment with them x
 
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