KatB
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Anyone read it?!
Very interesting article on EWW re. Boots...
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lucretia
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no but didnt someone on here write it?
Halfstep
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Is it online? Do you have a link?
Horsemad12
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Yes but I want to know which boots scored well and which didn't!
KatB
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I know, me too!! I am presuming the Equilibrium ones scored well...
lucretia
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oh its about some work david marlin was doing. I havent read it on there as i am not a member but i am fairly sure he concluded there are certain boots, much beloved by certain people that shouldnt be within ten feet of an event horse...... I will look to see if t has been published elsewhere.
Tangaroo
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Me too, cos i am just thinking about buying some more XC boots for my boy.
Halfstep
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It would be extremely interesting to know the actual results. I know there was a published study done a few years ago but the designer of a well known brand of boots was one of the authors!
Tangaroo
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Does anyone on here use the Equilibrium XC boots?
KatB
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No, but am going to get some when I have some ££
AutumnRose
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Interesting....this kind of discussion comes up everytime a new type/style of boot comes out doesn't it?
I'm with everyone else, it's only useful research if they tell us which boots did well!!
I'm with everyone else, it's only useful research if they tell us which boots did well!!
lucretia
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well done Katb i found a link here as well http://www.equilibriumproducts.com/news.asp?Action=Detail&NewsID=159
anyway he wont be able to say which boots are which or he will get sued! But as it happens i find the equilibrium stretch and flex boot things excellent work boots for flat work, and general hacking.
But this study looks like one that will only tell expereinced horse persons what they already know. My own common sense tells me certain boots cant work as alledged.
anyway he wont be able to say which boots are which or he will get sued! But as it happens i find the equilibrium stretch and flex boot things excellent work boots for flat work, and general hacking.
But this study looks like one that will only tell expereinced horse persons what they already know. My own common sense tells me certain boots cant work as alledged.
_April_
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But this study looks like one that will only tell expereinced horse persons what they already know.
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Yeah but what about the rest of us?!
PM me if you like as I would really like to know xx
But this study looks like one that will only tell expereinced horse persons what they already know.
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Yeah but what about the rest of us?!
PM me if you like as I would really like to know xx
kerilli
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very interesting. now i want to know which ones were good and which ones weren't!
must admit, i won't use fleece-lined boots any more, especially clarendons... they might look nice but they cook the tendons imho, and absorb water. i used to use them for xc.
i will be sticking to my PE hinds and Style and NEW fronts, all of which are very lightweight.
must admit, i won't use fleece-lined boots any more, especially clarendons... they might look nice but they cook the tendons imho, and absorb water. i used to use them for xc.
i will be sticking to my PE hinds and Style and NEW fronts, all of which are very lightweight.
Tangaroo
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Thats what worries me. I have a full set of NEW fleece lined performance boots and i am thinking they probably arent doing him any good!
I also have a set of Style boots for my other boy so maybe i will just use those for the moment until i decide which ones to buy
I also have a set of Style boots for my other boy so maybe i will just use those for the moment until i decide which ones to buy
flyingfeet
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Yes it would be interesting to know if protection is compromised on the lightweight ventilated style boots.
In a completely unscientific test, Dinks jumped clear when I swapped to my lightweight dalmars from the leather ones last week. Although I also swapped to massive spurs too !!
In a completely unscientific test, Dinks jumped clear when I swapped to my lightweight dalmars from the leather ones last week. Although I also swapped to massive spurs too !!
KatB
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Do you think Styles ones are LWT Kerilli? The ones we used were quite heavy
And we had fleece lined ones? Have they changed?
Does make you question what we use though
Tangaroo
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My Style ones are lighter than my NEW fleece lined ones. My Style ones have a neoprene lining but they are about 11 years old so maybe they have changed the design
kerilli
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my style ones are lightweight, and don't absorb water. they're lined with a sort of light foam with a very thin fabric over it. not neoprene, this is very sweaty stuff and i can't stand having it on legs. my style boots are years old and used daily so the thin fabric is definitely up to work.
Santa_Claus
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It would be interesting to know the results of which boots are what
I always choose neoprene over sheepskin. For starters its cheaper, secondly sheepskin is a b*gger to keep clean and thirdly always thought It was just too heating! Personally use Veredus prolight open fronted tendon boots for showjumping as I think they are tough yet protective and flexible. Prob better boots about at keeping the legs cool but Fleur's legs are never overwarm when I remove them... But then I am also one of these horribly nasty people that will often jump without boots. Normally jumped both of my 14h2s up to 1m15s in no boots (other than over reach boots!), and both are sound and healthy to this day! My 12h2 only ever had woof wear brushing boots and he was still jumping the big 128cms tracks last year at 23ish so never did his legs any harm!!!
Even jumped fleur without boots competively for nearly a season and often jump at home without them. My reasons why? don't know always been very old school educated for starters, and it has often suited the horses/ponies i have ridden in terms of they get careless infront with them on even with open fronted boots and they don't naturally have a stride liable to over reach.
I do think boots are definite must XC due to the increased risk of striking a tendon due to the increased speed in addition to brushes/scrapes etc caused by the fences but for dressage/SJ often think there is a bit too much wrapping up in cotton wool sometimes....
I always choose neoprene over sheepskin. For starters its cheaper, secondly sheepskin is a b*gger to keep clean and thirdly always thought It was just too heating! Personally use Veredus prolight open fronted tendon boots for showjumping as I think they are tough yet protective and flexible. Prob better boots about at keeping the legs cool but Fleur's legs are never overwarm when I remove them... But then I am also one of these horribly nasty people that will often jump without boots. Normally jumped both of my 14h2s up to 1m15s in no boots (other than over reach boots!), and both are sound and healthy to this day! My 12h2 only ever had woof wear brushing boots and he was still jumping the big 128cms tracks last year at 23ish so never did his legs any harm!!!
Even jumped fleur without boots competively for nearly a season and often jump at home without them. My reasons why? don't know always been very old school educated for starters, and it has often suited the horses/ponies i have ridden in terms of they get careless infront with them on even with open fronted boots and they don't naturally have a stride liable to over reach.
I do think boots are definite must XC due to the increased risk of striking a tendon due to the increased speed in addition to brushes/scrapes etc caused by the fences but for dressage/SJ often think there is a bit too much wrapping up in cotton wool sometimes....
Kentisheventer
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That's interesting... just slightly nervous that my boots may be 'damaging' my horse
lucretia
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fluff and fur is the work of beelzebub in boots and those heavy felt sports therapy boots (which there was a recent thread about), Layers of tubi grip under boots, nylon/synthetic bandages (why cant you get a descent set of cotton ones anymore, stubben used to do them), the hideous plastic/rubber linings currently being put on the inside of leather xc boots. i should think those were a few of them.
any i am amused by the fact i suggest about two years ago writng an article on this subject for a couple of the monthly horse mags and they said there was no interest/ need.......
any i am amused by the fact i suggest about two years ago writng an article on this subject for a couple of the monthly horse mags and they said there was no interest/ need.......
kerilli
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i think 1 layer of tubigrip under boots is okay, i've done that at A level for years. totally agree about fluff and rubber linings, very sweaty and horrible imho.
shame you didn't get to write that article years ago, might have prevented some breakdowns in the meantime.
shame you didn't get to write that article years ago, might have prevented some breakdowns in the meantime.
mrdarcy
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Thanks for posting the article very interesting. I was already well aware of the over heating risk but hadn't even thought about the extra weight problem.
As for sheep skin lined boots - I tend to disagree with everyone else. Sheepskin has air pockets between the fibres and therefore allows greater air flow and heat dissipation than neoprene or leather. I do agree that it can be a nightmare to clean.
I've always been a boot up to the nines sort of person but am trying to wean myself off boots because of the research into over heating. It's not easy though!
Would also love to see the results of the tests - which boots to avoid and which came out on top. Someone should do some independent research and publish the results.
As for sheep skin lined boots - I tend to disagree with everyone else. Sheepskin has air pockets between the fibres and therefore allows greater air flow and heat dissipation than neoprene or leather. I do agree that it can be a nightmare to clean.
I've always been a boot up to the nines sort of person but am trying to wean myself off boots because of the research into over heating. It's not easy though!
Would also love to see the results of the tests - which boots to avoid and which came out on top. Someone should do some independent research and publish the results.
KatB
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Ah ok, thanks for that
Yeah they sound perfect, I was always a bit confused to why everyone loved the Style boots that I have always thought of as the furry heavy ones
But that would explain it
kerilli
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gedenskis_girl, don't you think that sheepskin is very very heating though? perhaps not as insulating as neoprene or leather, but still very warm.
FigJam
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As for sheep skin lined boots - I tend to disagree with everyone else. Sheepskin has air pockets between the fibres and therefore allows greater air flow and heat dissipation than neoprene or leather.
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Hmmm... I'm pretty sure that's not the case. Insulation works by creating air pockets to trap warm air, hence why you stay warmer by wearing a number of thinner layers than one thick one- the air between the layers heats up and insulates.
(why else do you think the sheep have evolved their coats this way?!
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So I'd agree with the rest of the folk who are saying that sheepskin is far too heating for XC boots.
It's so difficult knowing whether you're doing the right thing or the wrong thing when booting or bandaging, hopefully more research and testing will be done and we can be better informed in the future.
As for sheep skin lined boots - I tend to disagree with everyone else. Sheepskin has air pockets between the fibres and therefore allows greater air flow and heat dissipation than neoprene or leather.
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Hmmm... I'm pretty sure that's not the case. Insulation works by creating air pockets to trap warm air, hence why you stay warmer by wearing a number of thinner layers than one thick one- the air between the layers heats up and insulates.
(why else do you think the sheep have evolved their coats this way?!
So I'd agree with the rest of the folk who are saying that sheepskin is far too heating for XC boots.
It's so difficult knowing whether you're doing the right thing or the wrong thing when booting or bandaging, hopefully more research and testing will be done and we can be better informed in the future.
KatB
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In your opinion Lucretia, what are the best boots?
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At the bottom it says the people to speak to are the marketing manager and sponsorship manager. Call me cynical but I hate this type of closed shop thing when tests are done. Its not going to get me reacting any differently. Boots are a risk to use as they are not natural for horses but then again nor is jumping solid obstacles. You have to weigh up the pros and cons.
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QR- while I was googling after KatB's posts regarding the XC boots I found that Equilibrium have a seperate website for their tri-zone boots. (This is probably old news!)
www.trizoneboots.com
If you click on "Design Philosphy" there is a section about the tests, exactly as described on EWW. The thermal images are on there too. It looks as if all the tri-zone boot testing has been carried out by David Marlin; although I could be wrong.
www.trizoneboots.com
If you click on "Design Philosphy" there is a section about the tests, exactly as described on EWW. The thermal images are on there too. It looks as if all the tri-zone boot testing has been carried out by David Marlin; although I could be wrong.