very upset-advice needed

This has to rate as one of the most mind-boggling threads I've ever read, and I've read a few
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siennamiller, I do hope this is a one-off incident with your JRT, and that you take the advice given to find a local dog behaviour expert to help you with the problem.
 
Well what a thread! I have just had a baby 7 weeks ago and I have 2 German Shepherds and a collie x,the 2 shepherds are adult dogs and the collie is only 9month.I was a bit worried about the dog baby situation too.My collie is very boisterous and spoilt and my gsds are very protective spoilt dogs too.This i know is my fault but i do love them very much and wouldnt dream of getting rid of them like many people do when they are expecting.(ive known a few)I respect your decision to ask advice on this problem rather than just getting rid.Your terrier when he snarled at you was probably unintentional,when a dog is aggressive towards another odg in the way that yours was he would have been wound up and believe it or not feeling vulnerable so when you smaked him it was his instinct to have a go as he would have felt that you were challenging him.Me and my oh had to change very gradually the way our dogs were treated throughout my pregnancy,doing all the things that cala has suggested tou will mean that by the time the lo arrives it will not be such a big change for them.We give our dogs the same love and care they always have had but just tightened the perstrings a little ie not allowed on the sofas etc.I would never leave my baby unattended with the dogs but i do trust them 100%.Oh and by the way my gsds hate little dogs but are great with humans so ignore the statement that if he will attack a puppy he will attack a baby its bullshit! Seek help with your training though from a proffessional.If you do need to talk re behavioural and training issues cala is fantastic with her methods(she has certainly helped me before)just pm her.It could just be the littlest changes that make all the difference.It seems to me that this MIKE whoever he is has a one track mind and only one method of training and if it doesnt work what does he suggest after that?NOTHING coz he knows best obviously.Try to stay away from people like that ive come across a few of them in my veterinary career,try to find someone who has done a bit of everything and has alot of experience then they will know the best method of training your little dog.Good Luck SM and try not to worry too much,im sure you will all be fine.xxx
 
Thanks for your comments, shame you did not think to structure your reply in to sentences or paragraphs.

Not that I have anything to prove - however, I have offered NO advice on this matter - other that seek professional help.

Also, not that it is any of your business, but I am a senior member of the BIPDT (British Institute of Professional Dog Trainers), A KC accredited instructor, An assessor for the KCWGC (Kennel Club Working Gundog Certificate) National Gundog advisor for the fastest growing countryside organisation ever and run my own kennels. (very successfully) so before you criticise or shoot off your mouth, you should find out the facts.

Regards

Mike
 
So i come back on to see what other advice has been offered and now i see this posting has turned into a resume. Its all credentials here and credentials there and yet again you have managed to take away the whole reason for the original postings. It makes no difference if the person has posted 1 post or 2900! its the handing of that post, so newbies are very welcome and those that dont post here very often but get off youer high horse when you do post.
 
Good for you MIKE.I could personally not care less what your qualifications are.I take it you also must have been an English teacher too.I do not care whether my posts are not in paragraphs! This lady has come on this forum for a bit of advice,so people have given their opinions and there advice,not to mention I think everyone has advised to seek professional help too, but there is no harm in people telling of their experiences.It seems to me that you have just added to this thread so that you can have a pop at everyone else.Mr Big Man.I have this and I have that,but you havent even helped this lady with any basic advice at all.Cala was right get your own forum entitled 'ALL ABOUT ME'
 
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I agree it does make them easier to read, but I was replying to Mikes comments, in saying that I do not care whether my posts are in paragraphs. I just feel that he looks at every post and thinks umm what can I say negative about what this person has written.I will in future make sure that my grammer and spelling are right in future, but certainly not for his benefit.Thanks
 
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So i come back on to see what other advice has been offered and now i see this posting has turned into a resume. Its all credentials here and credentials there and yet again you have managed to take away the whole reason for the original postings. It makes no difference if the person has posted 1 post or 2900! its the handing of that post, so newbies are very welcome and those that dont post here very often but get off youer high horse when you do post.

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All I had done was offer helpful advice to the original poster. But because my opinions were different to the majority it appeared they were disregarded. This has happened on a couple of other threads i have contributed to as well. I wouldn't contibute on a topic such as this unless it was something I knew about and felt confident that my advice was correct. In a case like this experience and qualifications are important. Giving poor advice will make the situation worse and be potentially dangerous.
 
Actually Flintus, might be worth you reading my first post.

It was pointing out to Cala she should not dismiss other peoples opinions without even knowing them.

JJ4Y is an extremely skilled and respected animal behaviourist - but because she dared to challenge Cala - she got slated.

Much like me in Cala's reply to that - At no time have I lowered myself to name calling or abusive posts - just read Cala's replies.

Those that know what they are talking about are happy to take criticism, those that are not confident about what they are talking about hate to be openly criticised.

This is a public and open forum, people will have differing opinions and different techniques to achieve the end result - those who do not have the vision to look at other options, will suffer in the long run.

It appears looking at the forum as a whole - that ANYONE who dares to challenge Cala (amongst others) is dealt with in the same way - I am sure you have seen the other threads where different people get similar responses for challenging her?

Maybe you should have a read? ah but then you don't like to be challenged either?

If you don't like it - don't post on a public forum.

Maybe this can be split and a new topic started - saves destroying this thread.

Bottom line though - behavioural advice via a public forum is not the best of ideas.

Regards

Mike
 
I have read ALL posts, and after all the advice that has been offered all i can remember is the petty squabbling between yourselves. And to be honest mike we shouldnt be challenging anyone. its all about ideas, lessons in the horse and dog world. My post wasnt directed at you, my first post claimed just how pathetic it had become

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Peter, apology accepted.

However, if someone gives poor or dangerous advice it should be challenged.

If someone dismisses someone else's advice as being wrong, because they have not got the understanding of the subject matter that the other poster has - then that is also wrong.

Regards

Mike
 
Hi, SIENNAMILLER..................If you PM me your E.mail I will attempt to send you some info on some of the more common behavioural problems owners experience with their dogs.......It will just give u a little idea of the ways in which these problems can be solved..........not that I think u have a serious problem there with your little doggi.......but its a very interesting read for any dog owner really....
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Mighty M, I dont think FLINTUS was apologising........just stating a very good fact that this thread has lead to squabbling.

I cant see that anyone has given any dangerous advice
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Like I mentioned and u can see the quote yourself.....after all u have highlighted it enough
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I said.......I respect the advice and different people have different methods and experiences.......and that is why all members give a wide range of advice and like TIA said the poster will take the advice they think will best help them.

Like other people have mentioned before I think because it is all text we are communicating in........some people take comments the wrong way.....I can see how easy that can happen.......but sinse I explained what I meant I dont see why u r still on your high horse......lets just agree to disagree
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I see you also have a passion of looking into peoples past posts as well as an obsession with credentials and job description
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If I remember u pulled a girl down for her lack of knowledge re-horse ownership and her grammer as u did the poster above
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Everything I have posted in regard to advice is for my concern of animal welfare......I have never jumped into a post purely to attack............I think I only looked at a few of yours which always seems to follow your friend J44Y
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and in one you are even threatening action against someone
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Like I said I still respect everyones opinion
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all members creds or not give great advice
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This post is getting a bit ridiculous! Any question posted on a public forum is bound to get several different replies. Different people have different experiences of the same problem or have different amounts of either practical experience or qualifications. It is then up to the person who posted the thread to sift through it all and decide what information is going to be most useful to them in their own situation. They may choose to disregard all of it and that is their prerogative.
Personally I have found this forum to be very interesting and informative on a number of subjects and have gleaned some very useful tips over the years. However I don't think anyone is naive enough to think that the advice on a forum is an alternative to seeking help from a qualified professional - whether that be a veterinary problem or a behavioural problem. In a lot of threads I read the OP is often advised to call the vet or speak to a behaviourist and sometimes that is the only advice necessary but other times it is acceptable to discuss personal experiences - that is what a forum is for after all is it not?
I'm saddened that the general tone this thread has taken has distracted from the actual issue that was initially raised which was from someone who had some genuine concerns for her dog and I sincerely hope she can find the help she requires to sort her little dog out.
 
Agree with u ANN-JEN.......there will be all manor of opinion.....or maybe we should all post our credentials b4 we give advice from now on
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I am happy in the knowledge that I gave some advice and SM pmd me to thank me for it too
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As soon as I work out how to copy and all that technical stuff.......I will try to send u a copy too......Its all pretty basic info.......u would find it interesting im sure
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blimey. I was away today and yesterday and have come back to this!
I am just grateful for all the advice received. JRT is being very submissive, rolling on his back etc and definitely knows he is in bad books. I will however be contacting my vet to get the number of an expert for help on this.
CALA I would really like that info, thanks
Thanks again to everyone
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No probs......will get my OH to do all the uploading and pasting.......I just hope it will work
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Ps bet u got a shock when u saw the size of your post LOL
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What can I say its a forum LOL
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Glad to hear he is being a good boy
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WOW!!!

It took me ages to read that!!!

SIENNA my friend had exactly the same experience as you with her staffyxjackrusell.

He was and still is a lovely little dog, he bit her sisters little puppy and my friend who was 6 months pregnant at the time, smacked him for doing so!! and he raised his lip
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My friend was in floods of tears, he had never been agressive towards her before, and she had him from a puppy.

Her husband wanted the dog re-housed and she refused point blank, assuring her self that she should not have smacked him in the first place.

I adviced her to seek professional help from a trainer/behaviour experienced in dogs , so she asked the local vet to point her in the wright direction.

When the dog behaviour lady came to the house, she told my friend that it was abad mix of dog and that they can be agressive towards other dogs, that she it would be ok with the baby and not to worry, but there would be nothing she could do in regards to the agression he displayed because it was in his breed
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she paid £75 for that useless piece of advice and was once again in tears.

I called into the local dog training class the following week, to see if I could get any advice!!
The trainer gave me a number for a dog behaviour specialist and I passed it on to my friend, she was very aprehensive about paying more money for nothing
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She did go go-ahead an contact the lady who spoke to her on the phone for about 30 mins asking questions re- his age, was he castrated, normal living arrangements e,t,c and the following day she came to the house and meet my friend.

Well to cut a long story short, she basically mimiced the advice you have been given by CARA, about keeping him of the bed and down the stairs, and getting him an indoor kennel.
She gave her a set of rules to follow in regard to new changes she needed to make to become a more dominant owner and said my friend was letting him get away with far to much and he had little respect for her.
He said the dog biting the pup was normal and did not make him agressive, but he probably reacted through fear rather than agression.

My friend paid a staggering £475 for the advice she was given
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just shows you how valuable these forums are, you got this advice completley FREE
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My friend had a baby girl in Nov
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and the dog is fantastic, she introduced the new rules set out and she keeps in contact with the dog trainer.

Good luck, I am sure everything will be fine, you have a great support group in the forum.
 
Sounds very much like my spaniel. My hubby also spoils him and I have found he thinks he is 2nd ranking. I agree with others - rehoming is not the answer. I would make sure you and your hubby both treat him the same and that your hubby tells him off for the next couple of weeks when naughty etc so it gives you a break. Also maybe if only you feed him he will start to see you in a good light. We had my spaniel done about 4 months ago and although he can be a little strange at times he is much better. He went for me when I was sitting on the sofa...he had got up and I was telling him to get down and he literally went for my head. He gets worse if you smack him so we started to use a whistle. It stopped him from snarling and made him listen. He would then be sent to his bed in the kicthen and left to calm down. Dont get too upset....it sounds like the stables were his terrioty and he was just protecting it. It does take about 4 months I would say until they really calm down. We know we will always have to watch him with children but giving up a dog is not always the answer...it shouldnt have to be anyhow....obviously if it does get bad and dangerous rehoming would be the answer but give him time to get over the castration.
 
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