Very Urgent! Parelli, Natural or intelligent horsemanship

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My friend has 2 large thoroughbreds (mare and gelding) and has a major operation taking place on Thursday which she has put off for a year already. Both horses were due to go to a lovely yard today. I've just had a phone call from her to say that on Friday she had everything ready for today but when she brought them in from the field the mare had lost a shoe. Farrier sent someone else to replace it and basically the mare is now hopping lame. So cannot be travelled very far.

Both horses are used to wearing rope halters and are trained in the natural horsemanship/ parelli /western style when handled on the ground and if you treat them with kindness and confidence and know what you are doing they are as good as gold but they are not suitable for amateurs.

Does anyone know of someone who is very experienced in that equestrian style who has other horses who would be prepared to look after them for 2 weeks maybe longer. They must be stabled in the day and turned out at night. My friend is happy to pay but does not have endless funds. Both horses are based in North Basingstoke and need to be moved on Monday.

Her current yard owner has said that only owners are allowed on her property now otherwise they could have stayed there.
 
No sorry I don't but couldnt help ask why if these horses are well trained in natural horsemanship, they wouldnt be ok in traditional hands?

Surely when you train a horse, you prepare it for the big wide world not just a select committee....
 
Agree tallyho, more like they need to be handled by an experienced person it would be safer for all concerned.

Why cant they be turned out 24/7 at the yard they are on and YO keeps an eye on them, that would make sense, not many folk have got spare stables and time to take on two big horses which require a certain way of keeping and for small funds.

Hope she sorts something, sorry i cant help this time.
 
When you move horses and change their routine you immediately take them out of their comfort zone. Well trained or not they will be totally in new surroundings, with horses they don't know, and without their owner who they trust implicitly even an impeccably behaved 12.2hh pony may behave very differently and novices may think it is being naughty when it isn't just unsettled . Change that pony for a 16.2hh and a 17hh TB's and you need to know what you are doing that's why so many advert's for ex-racers say not for novices.
 
Presumably the incredibly accommodating YO provides full livery service? Or how else do her clients manage to take holidays/days off as it appears employing a free-lance groom is a no-no ...............


Ridiculous situation :(
 
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Myhorseeatsmoney said:
When you move horses and change their routine you immediately take them out of their comfort zone. Well trained or not they will be totally in new surroundings, with horses they don't know, and without their owner who they trust implicitly even an impeccably behaved 12.2hh pony may behave very differently and novices may think it is being naughty when it isn't just unsettled . Change that pony for a 16.2hh and a 17hh TB's and you need to know what you are doing that's why so many advert's for ex-racers say not for novices.
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Oh right, I didn't know that...
 
Sadly the YO is not helpful. My friend would be able to pay for livery with feeds and muckout and bringing in and turning out as long as it isn't excessive. Some yards charge over £200 per week per horse, I don't think my friend can afford more than that They cannot be turned out for that length of time as the mare is exceptionally thin-skinned and needs her fly sheets checked everyday for rubbing. Both horses are used to doing everything together which my friend wants to change but it is not the right time to do it now.
 
You're not going to find someone to have both horses for less than the cost of full livery. There's a reason full livery is expensive - it's labour intensive!
 
It doesn't alter the fact that if a YO refuses to allow friends or free-lancers on to the yard, she should provide the service herself. I'm surprised she has any liveries at all - they are all bloody prisoners!
 
Myhorseeatsmoney said:
When you move horses and change their routine you immediately take them out of their comfort zone. Well trained or not they will be totally in new surroundings, with horses they don't know, and without their owner who they trust implicitly even an impeccably behaved 12.2hh pony may behave very differently and novices may think it is being naughty when it isn't just unsettled . Change that pony for a 16.2hh and a 17hh TB's and you need to know what you are doing that's why so many advert's for ex-racers say not for novices.
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Wonder how we have all managed all these years eh?

Can't she just send someone the DVDs to learn about carrot sticks and porcupines?
 
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It might help if you could tell us their horsenality... will help with findings suitable helper. Some people only get on with left brained introverts.
 
As the yard only has my friend and 2 other liveries there aren't many options. The other 2 owners have turned their horses away on a farm for the summer and to be honest the YO doesn't want any liveries but husband insists because they pay for anything the YO wants to buy for her 2 horses. It's an impossible situation so my friend who isn't well is seriously stressed at the moment. I would have covered her but now the YO has stipulated no others on her land it's impossible.
 
That's really unhelpful of them. I think your friend might have to be flexible about the parelli thing, and she might have to pay for them to be on full livery somewhere
 
Please Guys any suggestion for decent yards are welcome but we all have opinions on how everyone else should do this or that every person and horse is different but we are running out of time to find some help.

What personalities are they? Total opposites. the gelding is definitely a left brained introvert and the mare is the exact the other way. She wants the most attention but doesn't like being made a fuss of she is happiest when she has something to do and is a real show stopper but you do have to earn her respect because she is very intelligent and she will test you so both horses need confident and calm handling.

These horses will walk at the end of the rope calmly they do react to voice but if you are going to hold them on a short rope they will behave but not as confidently. The owner is insistent that they go to an experienced kind yard, a parelli,natural, horsemanship yard is a bonus
 
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Why do you think that only Parelli-ites are capable of looking after horses competently? Posts like this are discourteous in the extreme to the countless numbers of professional people who have never raised a carrot stick in their lives, yet manage to run a yard full off happy, well adjusted horses. Narrow minded attitudes like this just widen the divide between those who do Parelli, and those who don't. It's a sad day when true horsemanship is judged by who you follow, not by the well being of the horses in your care.
 
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Please Guys any suggestion for decent yards are welcome but we all have opinions on how everyone else should do this or that every person and horse is different but we are running out of time to find some help.

What personalities are they? Total opposites. the gelding is definitely a left brained introvert and the mare is the exact the other way. She wants the most attention but doesn't like being made a fuss of she is happiest when she has something to do and is a real show stopper but you do have to earn her respect because she is very intelligent and she will test you so both horses need confident and calm handling.
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They sound like any other TB............ just that most people do not over analyse them, but good luck with your quest.
 
Auslander said:
Why do you think that only Parelli-ites are capable of looking after horses competently? Posts like this are discourteous in the extreme to the countless numbers of professional people who have never raised a carrot stick in their lives, yet manage to run a yard full off happy, well adjusted horses. Narrow minded attitudes like this just widen the divide between those who do Parelli, and those who don't. It's a sad day when true horsemanship is judged by who you follow, not by the well being of the horses in your care.
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Well said!
 
Hmm with personalities so different it may be hard to find somebody willing to take them on..... as Tallyho pointed out somepeople struggle to get on with certain types. Of course the fact that they walk on the end of a rope is just a deal sealer, how about this you send them over to mine and I'll charge you a whopping 0€ per week for the honour of managing your massive horses who a) have a lot of requirements and b) aren't confident if you hold them on a short rope (just curious how your friend ties them up?)
Or yano you could try telling your friend that they might have to pay for full livery to get full livery?
 
OP I am unable to help but I would like to apologize for the appalling behavior of some people on here, I hope you can reach a solution that works for these horses.

The rest of you regardless of your opinions of parelli "natural horsemanship" the OP came on here asking for help ridiculing the way that person chooses to care for their horses is anything but.

For the record I'm not a parelli enthusiast by a long chalk. Grow up.
 
I'll be honest, this is a terrible advert for parelli! Both of mine can be handled by anyone competent.If they couldnt I would work with them until that was the case. If highly trained parelli horses need specialist handling isnt the training effectively failing??

Could you friend not try a retirement/full grass livery place? They will check them several times a day, feed them pick out feet and adjust rugs, apply spray etc. It wont be dirt cheap, but it wouldnt be mega bucks. Got to be worth a try?
 
Auslander said:
Why do you think that only Parelli-ites are capable of looking after horses competently? Posts like this are discourteous in the extreme to the countless numbers of professional people who have never raised a carrot stick in their lives, yet manage to run a yard full off happy, well adjusted horses. Narrow minded attitudes like this just widen the divide between those who do Parelli, and those who don't. It's a sad day when true horsemanship is judged by who you follow, not by the well being of the horses in your care.
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This^^^^
 
Good luck to your friend - there aren't many (sensible) people who practice Pirelli any more. Liveries - yes, livery owners - not so much. I think that says a lot about the technique really - experienced people don't really think much of it.

You friend is going to struggle and may have to be flexible - or cough up the cash.

Why set a horse up so that it cannot be cared for in the big bad world when your circumstances change - ludicrous situation.

ETA - I admit I am being judgemental here but if your horse cannot be handled by any cometant person then their is a fundemantal failure in its training, regardless of how it is trained.
 
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Not really sure what you are looking for. Surely any yard offering full livery will be able to help out for a couple of weeks. I think the Parelli nonsense is just a smoke screen. Longer term I would be looking to move my horses to a yard that offers support when you need it.
 
LittleRocketRider said:
OP I am unable to help but I would like to apologize for the appalling behavior of some people on here, I hope you can reach a solution that works for these horses.

The rest of you regardless of your opinions of parelli "natural horsemanship" the OP came on here asking for help ridiculing the way that person chooses to care for their horses is anything but.

For the record I'm not a parelli enthusiast by a long chalk. Grow up.
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Not appalling behaviour at all, just a reaction to an arrogant poster.
 
I cannot believe the YO will not allow anyone in to help. What happens if an owner takes ill suddenly, do they just leave the horses to fend for themselves? I'd probably approach the husband, he sounds a bit more amenable.
 
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