Very, very angry - horse used without my permission

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Bit of background info - me and my mum share Beauty and have had her and been at this yard for past 4 years. Yard is split into two separate blocks of stables at different sites, one for liveries and riding school horses, one for us DIYers. YO recently bought a little black cob gelding for the riding school which bears a slight resemblance to B in that it is a cob and it is black.

Right. -takes deep breath-

Last night YO's girlfriend rang my mum and asked if they could use Beauty in a photoshoot for the local newspaper, promoting their 'valentine's rides'. The idea was to have a picture of her and Midnight (the little black cob) together as if they were inseperable. YO has asked in the past to use B in pictures for promotional flyers, leaflets and whatnot as she is very pretty and openly regarded as the best kept/best looking horse on the yard (YO's standards of horse care are not high and his look awful).

Mum rang me to see what I thought of the idea. I was all up for it until I realised that I had uni today (I live in a little rented cottage about 5 minutes away from B and an hour's drive from the local university). It meant that unless the photographer was there before 9am or after 2pm at the earliest I couldn't be there. Mum agreed that we'd have to say no unless photographer was coming after 2pm. She said she'd ring YO to apologise but no, it wouldn't be possible. It was her turn to muck out B this morning and she agreed she'd put her out in the field as normal. The field is a half mile walk away from the village and the gate is padlocked at both ends. She goes out with a friend's big TB gelding.

So I got back from uni at 2pm this afternoon, had nice valentine's lunch at home with OH and headed off to the yard at 4ish to go get B in from the field. Her headcollar was not hanging up outside the stable like mum usually leaves it - thinking she must have put it in the boot of her car like she sometimes does I fetched the spare set and went to go get B. When I got there, her usual headcollar was in a pile outside the field gate, in the mud and nearly in the road. Alarm bells really started ringing when I noticed there were two padlocks on the chain that goes round the gate - linked together so that I could still open the gate with my usual key, but the gate could also be opened via the new padlock. Puzzled, I get B's headcollar on and go to lead her down the road. She takes a few duff steps behind and when I look, there's blood all down her white feather on one of her back legs. There's no heat or swelling and it's probably just a small cut, but it looks like a lot of blood when it's on white feather!

Get back to the yard and she thankfully doesn't seem lame on it, the few choppy strides she did might have been my imagination or stiffness from waiting at the gate to be bought in. Start running a hose on the leg to clean it out. Next door neighbour who owns B's companion arrives and we ooh and ahh over the cut. She says 'Oh, she might have done it when (13 year old part time helper girl) put her back out this afternoon. (TB gelding) was a bit upset that she'd been gone and they were hooning around and kicking out when I got here.'

Turns out YO had unpicked the staples that hold the chain on that we use to padlock the gate and got B out, letting helper girl walk her the half mile to the village. Helper girl is a horrible horrible chav with no horse sense who I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw her.

YO happened to at that moment pull up in his car, asking if I liked the photo in the paper. I proceed to completely lose my rag at him, pointing out the blood all down my horse's leg etc.

YO calmly says 'Your mum rang this morning and said it was okay'.

Have just spoken to her on the phone. She rang them this morning and said they could unpick the gate chain and take her down the main yard for the photo, despite telling me that she would say no. Cue me going mad and her putting the phone down several times as I was shouting at her. Once I'd calmed down a bit she told me I was being stupid and overreacting. I told her she'd lied to me and it had resulted in B being injured. She simply replied that if she needed a vet she'd send bill to YO and put the phone down again.

B's leg has in the meantime has started to heat up.
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Just been out to buy the paper and there is a picture of my horse on the front page covered in mud and being snuggled up to by chav helper girl, who is wearing eyeshadow, hooped earrings and red lip gloss. Have had a bit of a cry over it all
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Am I overreacting?
 
Gosh, sorry, that turned out a bit long.
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I'm just so angry. I don't have a good relationship with my mother but I don't know why she'd lie to me on purpose about the whole thing.

Just got back from work in the local pub and YO was in the bar. He was promptly blanked and I didn't serve him. I know it's childish but I don't even want to look at him at the moment
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No not over reacting, I think killing mother is the best option
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If it had been the YO only I would be moving my horse, difficult if you share with mother.
 
I think blanking the YO was a bit pointless and unprofessional on your part - he did afterall have permission to use the horse so it's not his fault at all.
 
The YO hasn't done anything wrong here. He asked your Mum for permission & she granted it.....any issues you have are with your mother.
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Unprofessional & sneaky though by the YO using a horse that isn't his to advertise riding his horses?
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I'd be spitting nails! But I guess a lot rests on the fact that you said that you and your mum share Beauty. I suppose that means you also share decisions about her. What I don't understand is why your mum didn't say to you oh I think it would be fine. Why did she appear to agree it was a no-no and then say something totally different to the YO? Are you and your mum able to swallow hard and sit down and talk this one out? Try to reach agreement on what happens in the future if you both disagree on what's in B's best interests? Not easy I know but otherwise I can't see how the sharing will work in the future?
 
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I think blanking the YO was a bit pointless and unprofessional on your part - he did afterall have permission to use the horse so it's not his fault at all.

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I do understand this but frankly you'd think he'd be alerted to the fact that I'd padlocked her into the field - bit of a hint when no-one's left a key to get her back out!

Point is the livery contract is in my name, not my mum's, and it should have been me he contacted for permission. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.

It was rather childish of me, I do admit.
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I do understand where you're all coming from, however... my mother's name isn't on the contract, only mine. Does that justify my position a little?

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Not really if your mum has as you say shares her and has been able to make decisions about her on the yard without consulting you first. The yard owner asked permission and it was given, by refusing to serve him when it is your job makes you look much worse imo.
 
I think unless you want your marching orders from the YO I would calm down and stop blanking him..
He did after all have permission from your Mum and as for turning her out with the wrong horses, well yes that was something that shouldn't have happened but things do happen I'm afraid.
Your horse seems relatively unscathed and I am sure they wouldn't ask you again to borrow her after the fuss. As you pointed out, you AND your Mum share the horse, so she was entitled to offer her for the photos .
I do wonder what you would do if you had to face a real problem, and sorry I agree with your Mum, you're being silly and over reacting, and unless you calm down will find staying on this yard difficult.
I am well aware many people will likely disagree with me on this but tolerance is something we all have to learn eventually, and slamming the phone down is incredibly immature.
If the cut becomes infected ask the YO for the vet fees, but going potty isn't helping the situation is it?
 
quote: me and my mum share Beauty

If you share you share, unless you have put restrictions on your mothers use of the horse. I would be upset by the fact the horse was injured but its not your YO or mum's fault, accidents happen
 
Well that is something you can take up with him and you will have to sort out between the 3 of you, refusing to serve him in the pub isn't going to help anyone. You said your mum gave him permission to remove the staples, has your mum never been allowed to make any decisions regarding the mare? Did your mum give the impression to YO that she had spoken to you?
 
Box_of_Frogs, B has always been a bit of a contentious issue between us
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Last summer my mum was of the opinion that it was cruel to muzzle her, and I ended up driving down to the field several times a day (at no small petrol cost) to check or replace the muzzle as she frequently took it off. B was grossly, grossly overweight for the best part of last year and she didn't think it was a problem. Thank god she is not prone to laminitis although I am amazed she didn't come down with it despite my best efforts.

She also over feeds and over rugs her quite regularly, and rides like a sack of potatoes
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One day I will have enough money to buy out her share of B, but for the next couple of years I am a penniless student
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Well, you told us that you and mum share, so maybe the YO thinks that is the case too. I think you should apologise to the YO, it wasn't their fault, and it's hell when you upset a YO.
You and mum need to sort this out. Either you share equally, in which case she can make decisions just as much as you can, or you don't. Goodness knows why she didn't tell you though.
 
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You said your mum gave him permission to remove the staples, has your mum never been allowed to make any decisions regarding the mare? Did your mum give the impression to YO that she had spoken to you?

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No, she hasn't - anything like vets visits, dentist, farrier, whatever is down to me. All she does is ride B on saturday and sunday while I'm at work.

I honestly don't know what she said to the YO, but what she said to me was that she'd tell him no.
 
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Mum rang me to see what I thought of the idea. I was all up for it until I realised that I had uni today

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If you had a problem with YO dealing with Mum, then should have said so then- I don't expect YO checks whose name on agreements with family horses on the yard,- who does the bill go to?

Sorry she got kicked, but hopefully those who know her won't recognise her in muddy state with the helper.

Best have a discussion wiht Mum tomorrow, ask he to go and sort out the cut, etc. and both talk to each other and with YO re future communications.
 
Many years ago my horse was borrowed with my permission for a photo shoot with YO niece who was a model. The photo went in a Sunday Paper and I cycled several miles just to get the paper and turned to the page with my beautiful horse to find this horrendous photo of her yawning into the lense teeth grinning with the caption Paper Chase the horse can laugh.

Laugh my arse they could have used any old dobbin for that. I cried all weekend.
 
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I would be upset by the fact the horse was injured but its not your YO or mum's fault, accidents happen

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I think her being injured is why I am so upset. It's only small but there was a lot of blood and it had me in tears thinking that she was in pain (I think I may have been angry at myself for crying about it which didn't help).

I can't help but think that if my mum had left well alone then she wouldn't have been injured at all, so in my mind it is her fault, if you see my reasoning?
 
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If you had a problem with YO dealing with Mum, then should have said so then- I don't expect YO checks whose name on agreements with family horses on the yard,- who does the bill go to?


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You do have a point there - bill goes to my mum's address, I only moved out from there three months ago and it hadn't even occurred to me to change it. It is addressed to me though.

I don't know why he phoned her rather than me - though come to think of it they have been rather cliquey of late as they both went to a party a few weeks ago.
 
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Many years ago my horse was borrowed with my permission for a photo shoot with YO niece who was a model. The photo went in a Sunday Paper and I cycled several miles just to get the paper and turned to the page with my beautiful horse to find this horrendous photo of her yawning into the lense teeth grinning with the caption Paper Chase the horse can laugh.

Laugh my arse they could have used any old dobbin for that. I cried all weekend.

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I think this was the straw that broke the camel's back - seeing my beautiful horse being snuggled up to by some chav tart I don't even know. It was front page and everyone has seen it
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I think you have every right to be a little miffed at your wishes being ignored.

But are you over reacting? Yes you are. I also think you need to respect your mother a little more.

Your actions have turned a situation where you had every right to be annoyed into one where you have some apologies to make to both the YO and your mum.
 
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I can't help but think that if my mum had left well alone then she wouldn't have been injured at all, so in my mind it is her fault, if you see my reasoning?

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Sounds to me that if your mum had left well alone originally, you wouldn't have the mare anyway. I can understand why you're so upset that your mum didn't do as you asked but at the end of the day she does own part of her. I can't however see why you would refuse to serve the YO.
 
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Your actions have turned a situation where you had every right to be annoyed into one where you have some apologies to make to both the YO and your mum.

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I do agree with you now I have calmed down a little. I would like to hear a better explanation of events before my mother gets an apology, however - there was no reason for her to lie to me. Hell, if she'd insisted that she thought it was a good idea, I would have taken the day off university to do it myself.

YO will have an apology tomorrow, along with a clear request to contact me in future. If that leg swells up though he will also be having the vet's bill, unfortunately.
 
The cut could have happened any time during the afternoon, after she had been turned out, you only have neigbours assumption that it was because one had been out and come back.

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Last summer my mum was of the opinion that it was cruel to muzzle her, and I ended up driving down to the field several times a day (at no small petrol cost) to check or replace the muzzle as she frequently took it off.

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That is just silly- both of you running to take off and put on muzzles! Some proper adult conversation is needed. Can you ot put her in a field wiht less grass, or stable during the day?
Or agree an optimum body measurement on a wieghtape, and stick to it?
 
No you're not overreacting about the injruy, it's worrying enough when you horse is injured or ill when it is not your fault, you are right to be cross. Mum's are very annoying (especially mine!) but if you look at my post in New Lounge you'll see that I was a stupid mum today
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I hope your horse is better tomorrow and that you and your mum make friends
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Your actions have turned a situation where you had every right to be annoyed into one where you have some apologies to make to both the YO and your mum.

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I do agree with you now I have calmed down a little. I would like to hear a better explanation of events before my mother gets an apology, however - there was no reason for her to lie to me. Hell, if she'd insisted that she thought it was a good idea, I would have taken the day off university to do it myself.

YO will have an apology tomorrow, along with a clear request to contact me in future. If that leg swells up though he will also be having the vet's bill, unfortunately.

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Absolutely agree regarding the vets bill if the YO's actions resulted in the injury and also making it clearer as to who is contacted regarding your horse.

If I were in your position, I would talk to my mum calmly but expect repurcussions for my actions. Your mum was wrong to go against what you both decided but I'm afraid you lost the battle the minute you over reacted.
 
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That is just silly- both of you running to take off and put on muzzles! Some proper adult conversation is needed. Can you ot put her in a field wiht less grass, or stable during the day?
Or agree an optimum body measurement on a wieghtape, and stick to it?

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I tried a restricted grazing paddock, but when her companion was bought in to be ridden or whatever then she just jumped out. We persevered with it for a while but when we had that long period of wet weather in the summer it turned into a quagmire and the girl we share the field with insisted we move her as it was cutting up the ground very badly.

There's no barer paddocks than ours, and I wouldn't want her in any of the others even if they were. They're not padlocked, most are fenced with barbed wire and when she was in one in the past YO thought it would be a good idea to use her for one of his hacks... hence why I am so protective.
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I spent a lot of money on a greenguard muzzle and headcollar that fit her well and are comfortable, and it is the most sensible solution in my mind. My mum seems to think it is acceptable to have her fat (and at one point I could barely get a saddle on her, it was that bad).

There is no such thing as adult conversation with us, sadly. If I could I'd buy her half out but I just cannot afford it at the moment. I am at 18 the only person in my friend group who has moved away from home, because we could not tolerate living together.
 
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Your mum was wrong to go against what you both decided but I'm afraid you lost the battle the minute you over reacted.

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Very true, and I agree with you.

I am just very protective of B, perhaps too much so, but she is the most valuable thing in the world to me and I love her to bits. It might sound silly but I would compare it to someone taking away my child without my permission - again it sounds like an overreaction but
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I am at 18 the only person in my friend group who has moved away from home, because we could not tolerate living together.

So very tricky trying to share a horse with someone you cannot manage to live with?
 
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