Vet booked, but any ideas?

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A few months ago, I noticed Lily-Rose had a weird looking lump in her front pad- between her big pad and toes. It almost looked like another ‘toe’ pad albeit slightly different texture and a bit more elongated. It definitely hadn’t been there before. She was a bit hostile about us trying to look at it, which she’s never been before, so as she was booked in for her spay a couple of weeks later in July, we left it (wasn’t bothering her at all) and asked them to look at it and remove it while she was under.
When I collected her, I asked what was in her pads and was just told ‘oh, just some hair’ which seemed a bit odd because it looked nothing like hair.
Anyway, long story short, I’m not sure what happened during the time she was at the vets but she came back from her spay extremely aggressive about having her legs and feet touched and has gone from a dog who was a dream to groom, to one who spins and snaps at me if I even dare put clippers or scissors near her legs or feet. As a result, I have been unable to properly check in her pads since the spay. It’s something Im working on with her, but we’ve only got as far as being able to touch down her leg so far.

Yesterday I noticed her licking a back pad. She stopped a few times on her walk and sat to lick it so it’s obviously quite uncomfortable. I managed to, with bribery, help and a few bites, have a quick look and she’s got an almost identical lump to the one she had in her front pad, in the back pad. I can’t check the front pad to see if the vet did actually remove it as she’s gone absolutely hysterical about any feet being touched now.
Off to the vet at 12.30 today and have explained she may need to be sedated or put under to get at them.

I’m a bit worried for a couple of reasons- 1) how horrendous her behaviour got since the spay, it’s made life so difficult to go from an easy to groom and touch dog to a nightmare. I do worry what on Earth happened.
2) Did they even remove or check the original lump during the spay? I can’t even touch that front paw to try and feel for it. I remember feeling a bit confused when they said it was just hair, but I didn’t question it as I was just so relieved to have Lily back after surgery and that her ‘lump’ was nothing sinister.
3) What are these weird lumps she’s getting in her pads? Tumours? Cysts?

Anyone had similar? I’d get a picture if I could but there’s no chance in her current mood. It looks like a black, round lump, similar size to a toe pad, but slightly different texture, sat between her big pad and her toes. I’ve googled and things like cysts have come up but none look like it.

All I can say is it definitely is not hair!

Anyway, I’ll report back after the vet later.
 

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How really odd about her behaviour. I have nothing to suggest except, if you can go in the vets with her, can you stay while they sedate and examine?
Could it be a balled up mat of hair? Does she have hairy toes?
Also, if you don't trust your vets, go to a different one. It is so important to have faith in them.
 

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How really odd about her behaviour. I have nothing to suggest except, if you can go in the vets with her, can you stay while they sedate and examine?
Could it be a balled up mat of hair? Does she have hairy toes?
Also, if you don't trust your vets, go to a different one. It is so important to have faith in them.

Unfortunately, due to COVID, we still have to hand the dog over in the car park, which I hate. The day of her spay, she happily trotted in with them and then when we took her back for her check up, she tried to bite the nurse who went to take her, which was totally out of character.
I’ve had complete faith in the vets til now, but I feel really uneasy about this. One thing I did note when she came back from her spay is that they had sliced her with the clippers where they had removed her fur to put the needles in. She had several clippers cuts. I didn’t say anything at the time as I didn’t realise til I got home. Whether this has played some part in it I’m not sure.
 

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Unfortunately, due to COVID, we still have to hand the dog over in the car park, which I hate. The day of her spay, she happily trotted in with them and then when we took her back for her check up, she tried to bite the nurse who went to take her, which was totally out of character.
I’ve had complete faith in the vets til now, but I feel really uneasy about this. One thing I did note when she came back from her spay is that they had sliced her with the clippers where they had removed her fur to put the needles in. She had several clippers cuts. I didn’t say anything at the time as I didn’t realise til I got home. Whether this has played some part in it I’m not sure.

Bloody hell! Certainly point that out to them today, totally unacceptable.
 

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Some vets do allow you to go in with your dog, I changed my vets for this reason, ring around and ask if you can go in. Then you'll know if they checked properly. Fingers crossed for you
 

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Could it be a histiocytoma? usually found in a younger dog,these benign tumors will usually disappear over time.these are pics on my then five month pup...she licked her foot at the time and brought my attention to a small red lump which ballooned into this. I washed foot in an antibacterial,then used streptomycin powder to keep dry..it went away on its own,the powder helped it to scab and slough.

if she’s a pain to allow you to examine her feet,id get a person the hold her steady ,feeding Treats,at on end whilst you lift the feet like a horse( if she’s a bigger dog)...for the tinies ,even being wrapped in a towel can help calm a fearful dog whilst the second person has a look at the feet.
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Thank goodness..! that’s saved you a lot of worry...
if it happens again ,rub lots of conditioner into the foot and gently brush out.....it helps get seeds out of the fur without a hissy fit..then rinse.
Over here we have had the green bobble ,spiked seeds ...plus my poodle gets whole hazlenuts into his paw pads and first time I thought he had a broken toe...huge ham performance till I raised his foot and flicked out the nut.
 

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I know you already are, but I think you need to spend a lot of time de-sensitising her to being touched. It’s something I did with my two when they were little, hand in mouth (handy now that Bear sometimes retains pig ear remnants at the back of his throat) and touching between pads etc.
 

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I know you already are, but I think you need to spend a lot of time de-sensitising her to being touched. It’s something I did with my two when they were little, hand in mouth (handy now that Bear sometimes retains pig ear remnants at the back of his throat) and touching between pads etc.

Yes that’s what I’m working on daily. Frustratingly, she has always been amazing to touch all over, groom, clip nails etc. I made it part of her daily life as a pup and she was always completely accepting of it. These issues have only just started in the last few months. I groom for a living and I am TTouch trained so I have lots of techniques, but it’s definitely a slow process with her. It’s so upsetting when I think back to how good she was even a few months ago.
 

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Yes that’s what I’m working on daily. Frustratingly, she has always been amazing to touch all over, groom, clip nails etc. I made it part of her daily life as a pup and she was always completely accepting of it. These issues have only just started in the last few months. I groom for a living and I am TTouch trained so I have lots of techniques, but it’s definitely a slow process with her. It’s so upsetting when I think back to how good she was even a few months ago.

This must be killing you, given your job! I hope she relaxes soon, I know some dogs really bear a grudge and if she was manhandled at the vets, it’s going to take a while!
 

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Panic over! They were weird, large seeds with bobbles on them!
Vet managed to remove them- one in back foot and one in front foot (the one that was supposedly removed as ‘hair’ back in July!)
Any ideas what plant/bush they are off? I don’t recognise it from my garden
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Sorry, no idea what it is, but are you saying that they in fact hadn't removed anything from her front paw when she was spayed in July, even though they claimed to have removed "Oh, just some hair" from her front paw?

I find it bad enough that she came away from the spaying experience with no longer accepting that her paws/legs are being handled, but if they've also said they've done something they haven't, that is really not acceptable.
I know veterinarians, and their nurses, are only humans, and can make mistakes like everyone else, but how can you trust that they've done what they say they've done in the future?
 

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Sorry, no idea what it is, but are you saying that they in fact hadn't removed anything from her front paw when she was spayed in July, even though they claimed to have removed "Oh, just some hair" from her front paw?

I find it bad enough that she came away from the spaying experience with no longer accepting that her paws/legs are being handled, but if they've also said they've done something they haven't, that is really not acceptable.
I know veterinarians, and their nurses, are only humans, and can make mistakes like everyone else, but how can you trust that they've done what they say they've done in the future?

Yes. Im very concerned and currently on the hunt for a new vet!
 

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'e. She was a bit hostile about us trying to look at it, which she’s never been before' -I dont think you can blame the vet when you couldn't look at it and she was displaying anxiety about her feet being handled pre-visit tbh... and if you didn't check the paw when you got home you just dont know if it was done - matted hair would not be uncommon in hairy paws.
I'd imagine she had a sore bit from the seed digging in and that has been what has set off the paw anxiety plus a stranger handling it - which even if the vet is very gentle they have to to look at it - so you are quite right to just work on it at home - maybe a behaviourist to help might be an idea to stop it getting worse.
 

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'e. She was a bit hostile about us trying to look at it, which she’s never been before' -I dont think you can blame the vet when you couldn't look at it and she was displaying anxiety about her feet being handled pre-visit tbh... and if you didn't check the paw when you got home you just dont know if it was done - matted hair would not be uncommon in hairy paws.
I'd imagine she had a sore bit from the seed digging in and that has been what has set off the paw anxiety plus a stranger handling it - which even if the vet is very gentle they have to to look at it - so you are quite right to just work on it at home - maybe a behaviourist to help might be an idea to stop it getting worse.

As I've understood the posts on this thread, Scats have been training her dog since she got her as a puppy at being okay with having her paws handled. And that up until the veterinarian visit some months ago in July, she had no problems with grooming, or other types of fiddling with her dog's paws.
 

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'e. She was a bit hostile about us trying to look at it, which she’s never been before' -I dont think you can blame the vet when you couldn't look at it and she was displaying anxiety about her feet being handled pre-visit tbh... and if you didn't check the paw when you got home you just dont know if it was done - matted hair would not be uncommon in hairy paws.
I'd imagine she had a sore bit from the seed digging in and that has been what has set off the paw anxiety plus a stranger handling it - which even if the vet is very gentle they have to to look at it - so you are quite right to just work on it at home - maybe a behaviourist to help might be an idea to stop it getting worse.

I don’t even understand some of that, sorry...

The dog was under a general anaesthetic when I asked them to look at it back in July. That’s why I waited 10 days as I knew she was booked in and it would be safe for them to do. She’d let you look but not try and remove it.

Dog was fine for legs and things pre-spay. I have no idea what happened when she was there, but the fact she had been cut by the clippers may have had something to do with it.

Anyway, I am a dog groomer who specialises in nervous dogs and I am working to solve this problem. But thanks.
 

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As I've understood the posts on this thread, Scats have been training her dog since she got her as a puppy at being okay with having her paws handled. And that up until the veterinarian visit some months ago in July, she had no problems with grooming, or other types of fiddling with her dog's paws.

Thank you FL, this is correct.
 
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