Vets report help on eventer!

Elentil said:
The owner is extremely cautious of who the mare goes to because she is very special to her. Several people have tried her and the owner has selected me as being the most suitable one and therefore I was aloud to pursue the buying proccess where as others may have not been able to. This is not a sales pitch and the owner is a very genuine and caring owner, as I have said before she told me all about the problems and revelaed evrerything I just wanted the vet to give her the once over incase there were hidden problems. Thank you for all your replys they have been increadible helpful. Will pay the £12 to see her records.
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Now that would immediately make me suspicious!
 
The owners story has now put me off .
It is a strange sales arrangement too. Paying 40% deposit is hardly a loan is it !
I think it is not particularly cheap for an " eventer " that has never evented
Oh dear , you can see we have now all become cynical when trying to buy.
 
Best to talk to the insurance companies. Each company is slightly different, some will just exclude those legs as they have been mentioned on a vetting, some will allow you to get the exclusion lifted after a year, some will cover you for injury but not where the things mentioned by the vet could be a symptom (the plaiting behind could be a symptom of sacroiliac disease for example).

However, there are also a lot of horses out there competing at the highest level who have very dodgy conformation and questionable soundness.

I would get physio and farrier to look at her as well. The story sounds a bit dodgy but then sometimes the genuine stories are dodgy (and I do know of people who have refused to sell or even let someone come try a horse as the seller didn't like the person). I would also phone the vet again and ask for an opinion as to whether the mare will be suitable for grass roots eventing
 
Leaping said:
Best to talk to the insurance companies. Each company is slightly different, some will just exclude those legs as they have been mentioned on a vetting, some will allow you to get the exclusion lifted after a year, some will cover you for injury but not where the things mentioned by the vet could be a symptom (the plaiting behind could be a symptom of sacroiliac disease for example).

However, there are also a lot of horses out there competing at the highest level who have very dodgy conformation and questionable soundness.

I would get physio and farrier to look at her as well. The story sounds a bit dodgy but then sometimes the genuine stories are dodgy (and I do know of people who have refused to sell or even let someone come try a horse as the seller didn't like the person). I would also phone the vet again and ask for an opinion as to whether the mare will be suitable for grass roots eventing
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This all resonates with me. If you had watched the trot up at Burghley recently, there were plenty there I would have been worried about, especially in their hind action.
I think a lot of you on this forum are really naive. Why would anybody let a potential buyer take a horse free of charge for 6 months without asking for some monies? One thing if it's a youngster that might be brought on, but an established competition horse is worth a fair bit, and none of them are perfect.So easy to mess a horse up and then throw it back, it's happened to me before.
As to the owners wanting the right home and being picky..... guilty as charged! I have a really nice young eventer for sale, and told a potential buyer last week that I wouldn't sell to her as I didn't think it would suit the horse to be in a big livery yard with limited turnout (the riding was another issue). We are out there, and if we think a lot of our horses, like to make sure that they go to the right home for them.
 
If it's any help in saving you £12 I ran the name you gave through bdwp, BE, BD and BS websites - no record on bdwp BE or BD. BS has the horse registered but no results - that means either she hasn't actually competed or when she did it wasn't a placed result or wasn't a double clear. BS records double clears regardless of whether you got placed and rounds with faults that got placed.
 
it sounds a bit dodgy it has no competition record if its supposed to be so good.

I'd be wary of it, especially if the vet noted it wouldn't be suitable for pure eventing. If it was cheap i'd take a chance, but it's not cheap for what it's done
 
concorde said:
The owners story has now put me off .
It is a strange sales arrangement too. Paying 40% deposit is hardly a loan is it !
I think it is not particularly cheap for an " eventer " that has never evented
Oh dear , you can see we have now all become cynical when trying to buy.
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But it does, hopefully, put off the 'buyers' who just want to rag the horse for 6 months then hand back with potential issues.
 
cundlegreen said:
Why would anybody let a potential buyer take a horse free of charge for 6 months without asking for some monies? .
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Because the horse will not pass a vetting and is impossible to sell and therefore worth nothing like the amount of money being asked for a horse with absolutely zero recorded performance.
 
Google does show the mare has competed on a ticket last year and this, but obviously those details won't be recorded on BS and as stated above only double clears or qualifying placings are recorded. They obviously felt the mare was worth registering (and that's not cheap) and have done so but its impossible to know how often she has been out to competition and if she has been getting eliminated or just rolling the final pole.

Googling the mare's name also shows the people who currently have her, and as they are running a business it would be easy to ask around locally to find out their reputation.
 
Thank you ever so for all your input, especially those who’s searched her affiliated records. She is owned by a producer who is extremely careful and honest about placing her horses in the right home; it is very hard to fool me as I have a background of working in psychology. She really is a genuine person. However this is not a mare that is part of her business, it is her own horse that she has had for five years and she is heartbroken even at the thought of selling it. When I went down to try the mare I stayed overnight on her yard as it was quite a journey and it meant I could try the horse twice and at different times of day, I was planning to stay on a campsite however she was very hospitable and kindly offered me to stay on her yard with an electric hook up and fresh water supply for my campervan. As a result of this I got to know her well and she trusted me to stay on her pristine yard with many valuable horses. I was woken up at 1 in the morning because it began to rain and lots of lights came on, I realised that she had come from home to bring all the horses in because she couldn’t bare the thought of them being out in torrential rain. This is a caring woman that is absolutely not trying to trick me. She has written up a contract that clearly states that she will give me my money back if the horse is not up to grassroots evening or if she develops any dangerous vices whilst she is on trial. She has also got a saddler out to fit her new saddle so that it is ready for when the mare comes to me on Saturday. I have decided that I would like to take the risk on this horse because I feel that with the amount I can learn from her at home I do not mind if she won’t be up to going round novice courses every month. She has not been competed because the owner simply can’t fit it in and this is the reason that the horse is up for sale. She has too much talent for it to be wasted, even if she isn’t perfect conformation wise. Sorry for the long post but I just wanted you all to understand that she not giving me an empty sales pitch, thank you for helping me to reach my decision, whether it is a mistake or not. :p
 
Good luck with her, the best pony I ever had as a kid failed his vetting as not suitable to event and he evented up to Novice / 15hh Open WHP. I'd always take a punt if I really liked a horse and the price was right. Keep us updated with comp reports please :)
 
paddi22 said:
I've one that would send a vet running off screaming too, yet he events successfully too. best of luck!
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If you saw the xrays of my mare's hocks !!! My vet says she shouldn't be able to jump, but she's won at Novice BE and jumped clear in an OI as well, when 6 months in foal. Came out this year after weaning, and has jumped 4 out of 5 DC's and won two. A good mare is worth it's weight in gold!
 
I googled the name and a result from fb popped up with ad states double clears BS novice and discovery ? same mare? For sale August for £4k with couple of jumping pictures and also a short flatwork vid from Nov last year.

I would take the LWVTB if I enjoyed riding the mare tbh and thought she was going to do what I wanted
 
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I wish you well with her, keep us updated with your journey together. Sounds like you a making the same decision I would in your shoes and going ahead with her.
 
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