Vid of horses falling through ice.

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I can't remember if anyone posted this before.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=16b_1234482584
thank God the lake was shallow enough for them to stand on the bottom. Must admit, it seems to me to consist of a lot of very brave guys getting in the icy water to help shove the horses out, and a lot of women screaming in the background!!
they got them all out.
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OHHH!! thats horrid! Why do people do it!!!!!!!!!!! Brave guys etting in to help - i hope lots of those ponies had warm rugs and stables waiting for them!! x
 
I just can't believe that!! Those men that helped pull them all out were amazing, if you fall in the North Sea you have EIGHT minutes before you freeze - and thats wearing a survival suit. I can't imagine how cold that water was. I hope all the horses have recovered fully and I hope this daft idea of riding on ice is not repeated.
 
Exactly, someothersunday.I think that just shows how great people are. Fantastic that all those onlookers didnt think twice about helping.
for those bleating that is is barbaric or cruel or what ever those look like tolting ponies to me in which case that is iceland or somewhere of a similar climate where they riide on the ice all the time. usually it is fartoo thic to even think about cracling. as the edges of that hole were still thick and sturdy enough for all the resuers not to even blink anout running on to it, i expect there was a fracture or fissure in the ice pack and they were just unlucky at that moment.
in switzerland they play polo on the ice in st morittz and have done for at least thirty years.
 
Yes, i was glad i watched it too, awful as it was. if the water had been deep they would all have drowned though, i am sure - they would not have been able to be pulled out fast enough.
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hopefully they won't think about taking horses onto ice in future unless it is about a metre thick.
 
I see your point but why ride on lakes they must have roads or fields unless they are sea horses...I am not saying its cruel I am saying its bloody stupid to ride on a frozen lake
 
there are no 'lessons to be learned' samstar. as i have already said this is a place where the ice is usually at least a foot thick, and there are many places in the world where the ice is the best place to ride in the winter because riding on very deep snow is really unsafe. Polo and racing have taken place on ice for hundreds of years including as it happens in england when the Thames froze over in the middle ages. this was a freak accident and no more likely to occur in iceland or scandinavia than a freak flood here. You cant tell from above when the ice gets a frcture or crevasse starting. If this had happened on very deep frozen snow which i suppose people will consider 'safer' both horses and riders would have been killed.
Personally i am just glad they got all the horses out swiftly, and those men in the water risked their lives totally to get the horses out, knowing as someone above said, that the water was so cold even horses could only stand it for a few minutes. Cruel and heartless people would have left them to die, it wouldnt have taken long (i didnt think they were going to get the grey one in time) and i am told that dying of exposure is painless, you just fall into a coma.
 
ETS Don't know why this came up as a comment to M-G, I thought I clicked on Samstars reply before writing my Quick Reply. Glad you saw some sense in what Lucretia wrote M-G./ets

Hear Hear to Lucretia. There's places in Sweden where people actually drive on the icy lakes almost as they drive on asphalt roads, do a search on Ice Road Truckers and learn what weights ice can carry.
And to just highlight what Lucretia says, if it wasn't a freak accident, how come all those people could stand at the very edges to the hole without ALL the ice breaking on them?

Freak accidents could happen anywhere, lightning could strike when horses are out in a field, stables sometimes do burn down, but not many suggest that it's a daft idea to have horses in fields or in stables.

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i did mention about tha people on the edge oof the ice as well but thanks FinnishLapphund. i suspect that you do know about these things!
 
Not to mention the rather ignorant viewer(/viewers?) on the other thread http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/4003806/an/0/page/1#4003806 (that I didn't have time to comment on) that talked about that the horses wouldn't have been out on the ice if it hadn't been for their riders asking them to go out on it. Well maybe not exactly those horses wouldn't have right then and there, but I'm rather convinced that there's more than one horse in Iceland that freely chooses to walk over the ice of a lake or river during winter.

In Sweden every winter there's always f. ex. elks and roe-deers, that takes the opportunity and walks from A to B across an icy lake or river. If we had horses walking more freely on the mainland, I'm sure they would do the same.



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I don't know much of it myself from personal experience so to say Lucretia, but f. ex. every winter on Swedish TV news, sooner or later it comes a feature where they talk about "Oh, now the ice is steady enough for long-distance skating there and here", what to think about, how you know if the ice is safe for walking on etc.

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well, they take huge articulated lorries across the ice in Canada every winter. Obviously IF it is thick enough, it can take a huge amount of weight. there's a program about it on t.v. called Ice Road Truckers. Sometimes if it cracks it can even make it stronger, apparently, because the freezing water from underneath comes up through the cracks, freezes, and thus makes it thicker. hmmm.
must admit though, i'd be terrified the whole time... how can you tell if it's thick enough everywhere?
every time we have a big freeze in this country there seems to be at least one terrible news story about a kid (usually a boy, unfortunately... are they braver/dafter?!) going through the ice and drowning. horrifying.
 
Don't have it all in my head but f. ex. as I recall it's usually more likely to be weaker near the shore, if there's a place where so to say a river turns into a lake then the ice in that area is likely to be thinner/weaker.
Nowadays there's of course modern devices that can measure the ice, but there's also good old fashioned hand-driven drills and when out long-distance skating there's sometimes one person in the lead who has a sort of stick that he/she "sweeps" over the ice in front of him/her, if something happens they have special ice-thingies hanging around their necks to be used as a sort of ice-picks to help drag themselves out of the water.

All deaths are horrifying for those left behind, but statistically it's safer to be out on the ice than swimming in the same water during the summer.


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If that ice wasn't thick enough, all those people would have been swimming too!

Really interesting vid though - cheers for posting
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