video of my horse jumping after a lot of tries

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I posted recently as my horse has major issues with trot poles and jumps etc. Today it was loading in box.
We are going to start offering his meals in box now. No go in no din din. Since this video He didn't just go back to square 1 he was minus a few.
I walk him over poles after each ride but as soon as I get on he freaks. Holly in video is a good rider so I will stick to ground work leading him and she can work on board.
Thought you would like the video clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epQY1cPzm9M
 
just started watching and however is riding him is actually slowing hin down and stopping him and I stopped watching after the person has no hat on. Sorry!
 
Okay, this could just be me, but when the woman with no hat on (assuming this is the instructor) took the horse over the pole the first time, he seems lovely and calm. She turns him around and he (am assuming in fear) launches over it a bit early, the rider gets left behind and then yanks on his mouth to stop him and then once he is slowing back to trot she yanks again on the left rein. (This goes on at about 1 minute in). I know how it is what it's like when you have a horse that is about to take off but he was calming back down and she punished him on top of falling on his back and yanking on his mouth already. Maybe I'm wrong and it's just the angle of the camera and the fact that obviously I wasn't there. To be honest, I think once he was back in trot (without pulling on his mouth), she should have gotten him back listening to her and then tried it again while completely ignoring his launch over the pole and praising him when he did well.

My 2cents for what it's worth.
 
before i write anything i will say that i am no expert im not a RI, i dont event etc....but this is what i make of the video i will probably explain what im tring to say very badly too!!
As i can see there is 3 riders.
All three ride the horse well on the bit of flat work that we can see.
Rider 1, about 15 meters away from the pole, almost stops riding and backs off and then perches forwards. The horse stops and then nothing is really done about it.
Rider 2 and 3 ride the horse quite similarly. Both are bolt upright in their approach to the pole and bothe keep riding the horse forwards both in the approach and over and away from the pole.
Im bringing my mare back into work and showjumping after 4 years off due to injury. She has no fear of poles etc and has done alot of jumping in the past. But... its a bit of a similar thing that my instructor is trying to get across to me. I have tended to perch forwards and not ride her enough into a fence which has lead to her either taking off about a mile away from a fence and launching over it nearly sendin me into space!! so we have been working ALOT on getting me to sit up, get the impulsion you need away from the poles/fences etc and then on your approach to sit up, sit on your bum untill literally the horse takes off and really ride into a fence. With the mentality that its almost better to be slightly left behind the horse and be 2 seconds behind rather then 2 seconds ahead and start coming out of the saddle and up the horses neck before its taken off thus poss interfearing with the horses stride/dropping it before a fence and giving it the chance to stop, duck out etc.
Also....maybe if you have a strong sitting trot try approaching in rising, go sitting about 5 strides out so that you can sit in and really contain the horse.
Now after alot of hard work and perseverance i am actually starting to go with my horse and sit up and contain her more into poles and fences and its making the world of difference. We are getting a much better jump from a better stride and everything is flowing alot more.
As i said, i am absolutely no expert and im having an abundance of lessons at the moment and i know its completely different when the horse isnt keen on poles/jumps, but from what i could see on the vid, that rider 1 was slightly more forward sat in the approach to the pole and thats when the horse backed off and refused.
 
Wow what a stunning horse!!! Although think he is more a dressage horse then a jumper :p

However, I saw my pet hate!! why do people think they are too good to wear hats? who thought it was a good idea to jump a horse that doesn't like jumping without a hat. No one is too good to be chucked off!
 
nuttynugget said:
Wow what a stunning horse!!! Although think he is more a dressage horse then a jumper :p

However, I saw my pet hate!! why do people think they are too good to wear hats? who thought it was a good idea to jump a horse that doesn't like jumping without a hat. No one is too good to be chucked off!
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Thats why I stopped watching the video no respect for people who ride without hats full stop and there is no excuse for it at all.
 
If the person without a hat on is your instructor, then I would be getting another one, as she is an awful rider in my opinion, hands are terrible. The first rider has no impulsion, the last rider actually looks like she knows what she is doing, and has a better tune out of the horse, more impulsion.
 
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He's lovely :)

To me it looks like unbalanced baby jumping- have you tried lunging so he learns to get his own balance over the fences?

My 15yo was jumping like this last year after a break from jumping- I basically took him back to basics and let him learn/ remember how to jump by himself, and then when he's jumping well pop a rider back on.

The first rider isn't forward thinking enough (I assume that's you?) you're expecting him to stop, so he stops

The second is better, but she should have left him alone after the catleap instead of jerking on his mouth- that upset him and took him back a few steps
 
Kaylum said:
Thats why I stopped watching the video no respect for people who ride without hats full stop and there is no excuse for it at all.
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The hat debate has been done to absolute death, if she wants to ride without a hat on it is none of your business, don't ruin the poster's thread with complaints about hats.
OP I think the horse is lovely, perhaps it will just take a lot of quiet, light riding and practice over poles to get his confidence up.
 
RunToEarth said:
The hat debate has been done to absolute death, if she wants to ride without a hat on it is none of your business, don't ruin the poster's thread with complaints about hats.
OP I think the horse is lovely, perhaps it will just take a lot of quiet, light riding and practice over poles to get his confidence up.
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Then dont post a video with a no hat rider that everyone is assuming is an instructor, I really hope she is not. I will post what I want seen as though my nextdoor neighbour without a hat would be dead now if she hadnt had a hat on. While your at it have a go at everyone else who is saying the same LOL!

None of your business what I post.
 
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Rider 1 (I assume that is you?) obviously has lost all confidence and/or faith in the matter and gives up before she has even gotten anywhere near the pole. No surprise here that horse refuses with rider 1. If it is you, have confidence in yourself and him, he needs to gain his confidence through you! You need 100 times more impulsion, sit up and push on :)

Why is rider 2 riding a horse that she knows has issues with poles over said poles WITHOUT A HAT?! This is your instructor right? Anyone who sets that as an example, well what can I say? Also, what the hell was with the yanking on his mouth, twice?! I can sort of understand the first pull (no need for the over reaction in my opinion though) as he was taking off, but what was with the yanking round bit? Not the sort of thing I'd expect an instructor to do to panicking horse... I have a big brute who tanks over SJ and I do have to occasionally haul on his mouth (he is part shire, and has no manners or brakes either), but most of the time I can bring him back with my seat and some maneuvering.

Rider 3 is the best out of all of them, seems to get the horse more relaxed and working nicely :)


As for horse, I think he'll get there, don't pile on the pressure about it though, a lot of people seem to do that, every session is focused around the one bad thing! Take it slow, do it a few times a week. Instead of just putting poles down and going over them again and again, why not try introducing one or two to a normal schooling session, like on the diagonal or down the centre line? that means you can carry on your normal routine and just add them in when you want, then horse is not focusing on scary poles, but on what you are working on schooling wise.

Good luck with him :) Would like to see another vid after some work! :) (Make sure rider has a hat on too, or else :P :P)
 
OP, your horse looks lovely, although it dosen't appear to be fear of jumping from the vid, more surprised to see a fence :)

I would start from a pole on the ground, build up to say 4-5 poles on the ground, then at the end of the poles on the ground add a tiny cross pole, and see how you go from there :)
Just my 2p worth, and fwiw if he stops like the first rider the last thing I would want to do is turn him away from the fence - I would wait for a bit and then ask to walk on, they can jump from a walk very well :)

Feel free to ignore, but I would place showjumps in his field and out of his stable door just to show him that walking over poles is normal :)
Billy atm is still getting his confidence over ditches, so if I go anywhere with a ditch the first thing I do is jump the ditch from a walk, then we go and do lots of other things, and then at the end of the session jump the ditch again :)

An idea could be to start the schooling session walking over a pole, then forget about it till the end of the session and walk over it to finish :)
 
Agree with SophieLouBee, rider 1 (you?) just isn't commited.
This horse is green at jumping? If so sack Rider 2! Fair enough if the horse knows his job and is taking the mick then yes ride like that, but not if the horse is green, that is one way to put him off completely. In her defence though she did give a lot more when she knew what the horse was likely to do.
Rider 3 is the one I would get to school him over jumps. She just sits quietly and keeps him relaxed and lets him work him out for himself.

Lovely horse and good luck with him.
 
To me he looks stiff through his back end.

Could be that pole work or jumping and stretching his back muscles hurts him.

I'd be more inclined to get a body worker out than see-saw at his mouth - but that's just my opinion.
 
Have funny feeling have seen this horse on my friends fb page, if I say Elvis am I correct ?

I agree with the "hat" but have to say if this is the same horse, he looks amazing and you should be proud of how he looks now ... :)
 
skychick said:
before i write anything i will say that i am no expert im not a RI, i dont event etc....but this is what i make of the video i will probably explain what im tring to say very badly too!!
As i can see there is 3 riders.
All three ride the horse well on the bit of flat work that we can see.
Rider 1, about 15 meters away from the pole, almost stops riding and backs off and then perches forwards. The horse stops and then nothing is really done about it.
Rider 2 and 3 ride the horse quite similarly. Both are bolt upright in their approach to the pole and bothe keep riding the horse forwards both in the approach and over and away from the pole.
Im bringing my mare back into work and showjumping after 4 years off due to injury. She has no fear of poles etc and has done alot of jumping in the past. But... its a bit of a similar thing that my instructor is trying to get across to me. I have tended to perch forwards and not ride her enough into a fence which has lead to her either taking off about a mile away from a fence and launching over it nearly sendin me into space!! so we have been working ALOT on getting me to sit up, get the impulsion you need away from the poles/fences etc and then on your approach to sit up, sit on your bum untill literally the horse takes off and really ride into a fence. With the mentality that its almost better to be slightly left behind the horse and be 2 seconds behind rather then 2 seconds ahead and start coming out of the saddle and up the horses neck before its taken off thus poss interfearing with the horses stride/dropping it before a fence and giving it the chance to stop, duck out etc.
Also....maybe if you have a strong sitting trot try approaching in rising, go sitting about 5 strides out so that you can sit in and really contain the horse.
Now after alot of hard work and perseverance i am actually starting to go with my horse and sit up and contain her more into poles and fences and its making the world of difference. We are getting a much better jump from a better stride and everything is flowing alot more.
As i said, i am absolutely no expert and im having an abundance of lessons at the moment and i know its completely different when the horse isnt keen on poles/jumps, but from what i could see on the vid, that rider 1 was slightly more forward sat in the approach to the pole and thats when the horse backed off and refused.
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Hi yes rider 1 is as nervous as i so hence why rider 2 popped on she doesnt like jumping so got rider 3 up as we are all on same yard and rider 3 does cross country.
Romeo really does have issue i mean you should have seem him the next day after finishing so well. But initially he tries to go flat out all over the place kind of thing and we need him to slow down take it easy and think trouble is he thinks too much to say the least!
I am focused on dressage but like i mentioned i think its important to have a well rounded horse. Build the confidence and experience.
Thanks for your feed back though :D
 
lhotse said:
If the person without a hat on is your instructor, then I would be getting another one, as she is an awful rider in my opinion, hands are terrible. The first rider has no impulsion, the last rider actually looks like she knows what she is doing, and has a better tune out of the horse, more impulsion.
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lol sorry had to giggle she doesnt jump she is a very good dressage rider has gone far took a break to raise her kids and is back again winning pretty much everything she enters
 
Cadfael&Coffee said:
He's lovely :)

To me it looks like unbalanced baby jumping- have you tried lunging so he learns to get his own balance over the fences?

My 15yo was jumping like this last year after a break from jumping- I basically took him back to basics and let him learn/ remember how to jump by himself, and then when he's jumping well pop a rider back on.

The first rider isn't forward thinking enough (I assume that's you?) you're expecting him to stop, so he stops

The second is better, but she should have left him alone after the catleap instead of jerking on his mouth- that upset him and took him back a few steps
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Hi no im not riding in vid. I would be awful eek. Yes a scared unbalanced baby
 
Cadfael&Coffee said:
Stoopid phone cut my post in half!!

The third rider is much better, but he's still jumping like a baby.

Lunge and a pole as a wing.

What does he do if you lead him over poles on the ground?
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stops shakes. I let him sniff n scratch his head n he goes over bit scared when lead then calm like butter wouldn't melt but when riders on he freezes up again
 
RunToEarth said:
The hat debate has been done to absolute death, if she wants to ride without a hat on it is none of your business, don't ruin the poster's thread with complaints about hats.
OP I think the horse is lovely, perhaps it will just take a lot of quiet, light riding and practice over poles to get his confidence up.
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Thank you. I ride with hat to feel safe boy do i melt in it but hey i keep my lid on if i take a spill
 
He is lovely! But I do sort of agree that he looks a little stiff behind to me. I may be totally and utterly off the mark, and he's lovely but there's something I'm not sure is 100%. May be worth having him double checked just in case anything's been missed.

I totally agree that Rider 3 got a nice tune out of him and was lovely and sympathetic :)

J&C
 
Try walking him in hand with a rider over poles, without over doing it. When he's comfy with that, try lunging over them, ideally with a rider (not doing anything) and slowly buil his cconfidence.

If he's frightened of poles, Teresa no way I would ask him to jump again until he's comfy with them

Do you have any idea why it's such an issue? Has he had a fright over jumps, or just never seen them before?
 
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