Video of my horse lunging...have a giggle!

AdorableAlice said:
Thank you, is it a bit of kit mainly used on established horses rather than youngsters ? I ask because I have a newish horse, only 6 yr old, who has been hung onto in the previous home and is very inverted. Thankfully she is built to be able to go down and forwards but in her mind it is impossible.

I have a chambon but as yet, I have not tried anything on her other than riding with wide, low hands and kidding her into trying to stretch. she had a full mot when I bought her and all is in order.
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I'm taking a video of mine later in the Pessoa - I'll upload it so you can have a look. I'd only work a 6 yr old in it for very short bursts and only in walk at first, until they get used to it.
 
PoppyAnderson said:
Maybe but I'd want to be absolutely sure, as it's unlikely.
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I am sure, if you read the post he has the pyhsio out very regularly. He has never had a bad back in the 2 1/2 yrs I've had him and I've been told has a very strong back. He never gets tight through his back or tense, I would never upload a video of him like this if I ever thought he was in pain. I have a bad back, but he gets the pyhsio even when he doesnt rather than me :p I appreciate your concern but everyone who knows him can vouch that this simply is "just Boo"! :rolleyes:
 
Looks to me like he is bucking because of the rear part of the passoa? Rather than click, why don't you give him definite commands like trot on rather than clicking. I would slacken off the front end to allow him to stretch downwards and forwards.
 
silvershoes said:
I am sure, if you read the post he has the pyhsio out very regularly. He has never had a bad back in the 2 1/2 yrs I've had him and I've been told has a very strong back. He never gets tight through his back or tense, I would never upload a video of him like this if I ever thought he was in pain. I have a bad back, but he gets the pyhsio even when he doesnt rather than me :p I appreciate your concern but everyone who knows him can vouch that this simply is "just Boo"! :rolleyes:
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Sorry was logged in on my other account....it is me! LOL
 
mcnaughty said:
Looks to me like he is bucking because of the rear part of the passoa? Rather than click, why don't you give him definite commands like trot on rather than clicking. I would slacken off the front end to allow him to stretch downwards and forwards.
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He's really good with my aids actually (I can lunge him without a lunge line pretty successfully!) but when he cramps up a bit I just click to encourage him to trot forward which he responds to, when I ask for canter I say "canter" and trot I say "trot" but to keep him in the same pace and to go more forward he responds to a click. Might be backward to some but just what works for him :) this is merely just a snapshot of his first 1.30 mins of him on the lunge, and I hate the sound of my voice on vid so didnt say very much! :p
 
Fair enough... Mine was only advice as mine went from having been happy to canter in the pessoa for over six months, to similar bucking antics. Was only offering advice based on my own experience.
 
Sorry but that Pessoa is far too tight in front. Bordering on rollkur if you ask me.

I see one unhappy horse. Nothing silly about it but the owner.
 
Wigwam_bam said:
Charming...

I don't see anything bordering rollkur, i thought rollkur on the lunge looks like this..

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not this...
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Just saying what i see. It's on a public forum isn't it?

It does not have to look like the above to be rolkur.
 
Wigwam_bam said:
Hmm, People seem to use the 'Its on a public forum' excuse just to be rude though, but sure, public forum and all...

Pretty sure the above is rollkur? So whats it supposed to look like??
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Do your own research, I'm not your secretary! Ny my fault you changed your post halfway through my reply.

I was not being rude. I stated my opinion. Again, do your own research on that one too :)
 
Hardly rollkur his just behind the vertical? If his always done it leave her to it! Hardly killing him is it?
 
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Wigwam_bam said:
What has it got to do with you? Hypocrite.

I simply answered your post stating how it looks nothing like rollkur.
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Lol! How am I a hypocrite?

A poster posts a video of a horse doing what they think is funny. I reply saying I don't think it is. You could ask what has it got to do with anyone who replied. I posted my opinion, however different it may be from yrs and you jump down my throat.

As far as I am concerned, I commented on a post. I comment on many posts in case you hadn't noticed.

You show me a picture of a pony being hyperflexed in comparison. Your opinion differed to mine and that as far as I can see your problem. It's not my job to show you what hyperflexion is and you get your knickers in a twist.

It's not my fault.
 
my first thoughts were that the horse looked blocked in front when being asked to go forwards so he's bucking in protest rather than it being high spirits, as someone else has said it's always just after you've 'clicked' him on. Try walking fast with your arms clamped to your sides, it's how i showed my daughter how hard you make it for the horse when you block the front end:)
 
My full opinion on the matter is that the horse is very tight in its neck, poll and sacroiliac joint.

The is no tracking up, the horse is not supple nor is it through in its body. The Pessoa is far too tight in front and there is no stretching of the neck. If you think lowering the head is stretching then, perhaps think again.

It does not swing it's shoulders forward as it cannot due to the restrictive action of the Pessoa. I think it's probably the worst I have ever seen a Pessoa being used. It's is basically compressing the horse into itself... Not allowing any impulsion from the back at all. A very restrictive picture all in all.

And if that is how this horse supposedly is all of the time, then, it's even sadder. The horse may have a strong back now, but that will not last if it is not allowed to stretch and flex. He is very on the forehand but looks like it is trying to elevate the front end and can't. That's why the back end can bounce up and down like that as most of the horses weight is in front.
 
I just thought the horse looked uncomfortable and as someone else said, tight in front. When I have seen a Pessoa used on a horse on my yard it's always looked like the horse is stretching forwards and down in it and that it is using the back end more than the one in this vid. But that's just my opinion.
 
Toast said:
The difference being that what you posted, was incorrect. There is no evidence of rollkur in that entire video. It might be your opinion but it doesnt make it right ;)
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Most people think it is a brilliant video! That is incorrect but I don't see anyone being asked to explain themselves.

Rolkur is widely understood as hyperflexion in modern times. In fact the term can be used to describe the position of the horses head where it has been fixed into a position that forces the cervical vertebrae into a "shape". Yes, most commonly, over bent or deep and round. That is why this controversy exists.

People say its not rolkur unless it looks like that pony when the word has been used for centuries in the old books e.g. Geuriniere to describe any sort of restriction.

That is the context in which it *should* be thought of. In this context, draw reins, gags etc could all be included as rolkur. And should be.

However now, the huge publicity around it only discriminates gross hyperflexion a la Anky. So, when I used the term to describe this, it's seen as a mistaken fact. When strictly speaking, by the old classical terms of training, it should be classed as restriction of proper movement or rolkur. The obsession for horses necks to be a certain "shape" is endemic and no one seems to think its rolkur unless its teeth are in its breastbone!
 
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tallyho! said:
My full opinion on the matter is that the horse is very tight in its neck, poll and sacroiliac joint.

The is no tracking up, the horse is not supple nor is it through in its body. The Pessoa is far too tight in front and there is no stretching of the neck. If you think lowering the head is stretching then, perhaps think again.

It does not swing it's shoulders forward as it cannot due to the restrictive action of the Pessoa. I think it's probably the worst I have ever seen a Pessoa being used. It's is basically compressing the horse into itself... Not allowing any impulsion from the back at all. A very restrictive picture all in all.

And if that is how this horse supposedly is all of the time, then, it's even sadder. The horse may have a strong back now, but that will not last if it is not allowed to stretch and flex. He is very on the forehand but looks like it is trying to elevate the front end and can't. That's why the back end can bounce up and down like that as most of the horses weight is in front.
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Great post

I'm not sure the op has fitted it incorrectly, every photo I have seen I have thought the pessoa's are tight. I would want to aim for the horse being in a similar frame as during riding but I can't say I'd want my horse going in this manner
 
Ok, I have tried, watched it several times. I don't see a happy horse.

I don't find it funny, I'd be worried if it was my horse.
 
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silvershoes said:
I am sure, if you read the post he has the pyhsio out very regularly. He has never had a bad back in the 2 1/2 yrs I've had him and I've been told has a very strong back. He never gets tight through his back or tense, I would never upload a video of him like this if I ever thought he was in pain. I have a bad back, but he gets the pyhsio even when he doesnt rather than me :p I appreciate your concern but everyone who knows him can vouch that this simply is "just Boo"! :rolleyes:
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why would you be posting under two names on the same night ?
 
Persephone said:
Ok, I have tried, watched it several times. I don't see a happy horse.

I don't find it funny, I'd be worried if it was my horse.
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Sad thing is when horse won't put up with it anymore... It will become someone else's problem.

Should have been titled "how to ruin a good horse".

To think that "everyone laughs" and knows "it's just boo" is terribly saddening.

I am sure this horse gets the best attention... If only some of it could be paid towards its methods of training.
 
Persephone said:
Ok, I have tried, watched it several times. I don't see a happy horse.

I don't find it funny, I'd be worried if it was my horse.
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^^^ agree. Horse cant drop it's head because rein is too tight. Neck arch looks wrong ( over bent) rather than being a nice evenly curved line.
 
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