Vids of our naughty horse..cc please..

biggest piece of advice: change the camera person. the constant jiggling of the camera results in a very blurry video sequence. so its hard to see his paces or riders leg position etc.
all round doesnt look like a naught horse to me, i was looking to buy a pessoa training aid but the cost seemed to bum me out. how do you like it?
 
Dosent look particularly naughty - do agree about the videoing, its quite hard to tell whats going on.

I would say hes very tight in his back and isnt coming through from behind which shows in the canter which he almost seems to hop along in and to me dosent look quite like a true ground covering canter. The trot is ok, better than the canter, but again the tightness in the back and neck are stopping the horse from moving properly forwards and freely.
 
This is him being good! He has spent the last 3 months rearing everytime you ask him to do anything. we have had all the vet and tack checks in the world to ensure he is all ok and he is. Hence the work in draw reins and pessoa. Still he holds with his back though and not sure how to resolve this.
 
I really like this horse he's the type i go for. He looks to me like he has "issues" with work he's not really enjoying it at all. Personally i doubt very much Pessoa's & drawreins will help long term.

Have you tried taking him back to just riding on the buckle without working in an outline? Working in hand, double line lunging, possibly some clicker training.

I know people will think im mad (fluffy bunny) & totally out there but i have worked quite a lot with dangerous horses with no physical issues & found that i had to really think out of the box to get them to enjoy working.
Ive used CT work & lots of groundwork to get a horse to enjoy just offering an outline. It takes serious time taking them back to basics but it's worth the effort because if the horse doesnt enjoy working neither will the rider.
 
We have tried to get him to work on the end of a loose/long rein but he still misbehaves! He is brilliant on the double reins but it doesn't transfer into his ridden work sadly.
all his issues stem from his work he was in before we got him.
 
All the more reason to take him right back to basics, the trick is to emulate what you do on the ground under saddle with a rider. It's harder than it sounds & takes a long time with groundwork routines.
 
He doesnt look like his not enjoying it?! I agree that he could be moving more freely from behind but on the whole i think he looks lovely! :)
 
Kateyb33 said:
He doesnt look like his not enjoying it?! I agree that he could be moving more freely from behind but on the whole i think he looks lovely! :)
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We all see different things, if the horse was happy in his work he would be consistent. I saw him throw his head more than once in the Vids, the equals to me a horse which is un-happy & voicing his opinion.

Im not going to be posting anymore anyway so i hope you get him right OP. He's lovely good luck :)
 
The only thing I would comment on is the fact that the riders legs are going constantly!! and with spurs on!!! nothing wrong with spurs, but not with the lower leg constantly bashing the horses sides. Squeezing aid to push the horse through...not constant jabbing.
 
This horse came to us as very naughty, if you insisted he took a contact he reared, if you half halted him he would throw his head and rear.He would chuck his head all the time and would not canter at all, in fact, once he fell up the side of the indoor school and almost came over in a moment of temper.
We have worked with him and he finished the season placed at BE novice level but he has just had a bit of a relapse hence my post the other day. He had been very naughty and despite all checks there seemed to be no reason so we decided to ride him in draw reins and lunge in a pessoa and he has come on in leaps and bounds again.
As for the rider, if you had spend the best part of 2 weeks on a horse on its hind legs almost going over backwards then you might be quite keen on keeping the horse in front of the leg.
Tricky, is not the word, on of the most difficult horses I have ever met as there was never a obvious cause for the behaviour.
 
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He's not really working through both in trot and canter but if he's behaving, it's progress!!!, so it's a start, I wouldn’t say he looks un comfortable, probably just a case of learning to use himself correctly and having the patience in his head to do so.

Can't really tell much from the video, nor I guess is it fair to comment as we don't know what goes on in this horses typical schooling sessions, but my first impressions would be to perhaps slow the trot down a little or at least work varying the trot with plenty of walk, halt and trot transitions, he doesn't look like he's quite found his 'own rhythm' yet (if that makes sense...probably not) and therefore it will have a knock on effect on creating a good canter, all looks a bit ‘clockwork’ at the moment, but providing there’s no physical reasons, then you can only expect this until he accepts his work and there is less tension there and that will only come with time, lovely horse though, be interesing to seeing how he improves.
 
Hi Charlie, maybe post a link to previous thread as from reading some of the comments people aren't aware of the background and your reason for posting the vid. Seems a massive improvement from your previous description at least you are on 4 legs as opposed to two! I thought of your post when my friend was talking about taught monkey behaviour it's kind of crude but I think it fits in with a lot of what you were saying about him. "monkey cr*ps on floor, so you smack his bum and chuck him out of the window, next time monkey cr*ps on the floor he smacks his own bum and jumps out of the window" From what you said on last post I think either due to a previous pain issue or bad riding in the past this little horse has developed an outstanding array of evasion techniques that he throws at you the moment he feels under pressure. It's a real shame as he looks a lovely type. Hats off to you for what you've managed to get out of him and for sticking with him. He's lucky to have you, lots of people wouldn't have put in the effort. FWIW have you tried any acupuncture type treatments, my mare had rearing issues and the vet and physio felt she was stiff behind but couldn't find anything. Called a 'backman' out of desperation and he gave her some sort of electric acupuncture which seemed to help her a lot. I'm usually really sceptical about these things but would recommend having a go if you haven't already.
 
compared to how you said he was behaving before, that looks like BIG progress, and it looks as though he's being ridden sympathetically. I think lots of praise, and keeping the sessions short and sweet, might be the way, very black/white if he does think about having a relapse (hope not), and with a bit of luck he'll relax when he realises that THIS is the way to behave to have an easier life... i'm not usually a fan of draw reins but if they were what was needed to concentrate his mind and channel him into working with you, then great.
 
Rouletterose said:
The only thing I would comment on is the fact that the riders legs are going constantly!! and with spurs on!!! nothing wrong with spurs, but not with the lower leg constantly bashing the horses sides. Squeezing aid to push the horse through...not constant jabbing.
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I have to admit this was the first thing I noticed and once it caught my attention I couldn't pick up on anything else. Every bounce was bump bump bump with the legs which might not be helping even if it's only a small detail.
 
Ditto Kerrelli- would gradually try and build on from how he's working now by offering him 5 min stretches in walk and trot & canter encouraging him to take the bit down and right out with the rider still maintaining a gentle contact. That would help develope better swing and confidence over his back and start putting the right muscles in place.
If he wont stretch without being naughty would just try it for a few secs at a time to begin with. Hopefully the penny will eventually begin to drop.

Also may just be the video, but the saddle looks very mobile at the back and is moving/bouncing a lot, it doesnt seem to sit on him quite right?
 
Thanks, with regards to the saddle, it was re flocked and re fitted to him last week so I think it just needs to settle a little.
Just to prove what I said before about his behaviour at shows, we had dressage yesterday at the yard so at home so no adrenline, he warmed up beautifully and won with 69.5%
 
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