Violence and Pastings... setting the record straight

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Hi there all,

As some of you may know... I had a wee erm, 'holiday' due to another thread, and during that 'holiday' which was tres fabulous, the whole 'pasting-gate' ran on.

Many of you will breath a sigh of relief when I say this, but since Ben had his argument with an electric fence and four wodden posts that he broke:eek::eek::eek: he has been a peach to handle. He may well have been physically fine, but I think he may well have had a bruise ego from that. Anyway, regardless, despite very firm handling *gasps* with a whip in hand, he has not felt the thwack of a whip on his rug at any time. I feel sure the RSPCA will be pleased to hear. Although, regardless of peoples opinions, if he misbehaves and does not behave upon voice command and a tug on the rope, then yes, I probably will give him a whack, maybe even two. I mean no offence to others or their ways, and it is not a route I have been down for years, but ben is ben, and I always aliken him to kevin and perry the grumpy greasy petulant teens.

I have peeked at the thread this evening, and as a result have decided to post this. I agree with wagtail, that my choice of terminology was perhaps wont to spark out rage and beating of drums, I did however credit that the majority of H&H would know me, and understand a bit of tongue in cheek humour: 'shock horror horse beater' and such, sadly not so much. Furthermore, yes, psyching myself up to give my horse a pasting... hmm, well, pickles couldn't stand a whip and I never rode either him or ebony in spurs or a whip, well unless competing on Ebs, and then it was never used. If you ever had a whip with Pix, it was stowed in your boot, redundant, so no use... see where I am going with this. Pickles used to rear up on a lungeline on sight of a lunge whip, so afraid and beated when I got him he was. So really, and knowing me from my posts on here, I assumed wrongly that people would understand that yes... I would have to 'psych' myself up to physically reprimand a horse, even if it was one or even two hits with a whip on a bleeding rug.

My entire life I have spent rescuing beaten, neglected horses emotionally and physically pushed to the edge. Ebony and Ben are the only two that never had that life before me. Please do not ever insult me by suggesting I could be so reprehensible and savage as beating a horse and turning it into something I used to have to painstakingly and lovingly fix!

And no, magic melon I did not truly want my horse to get hurt by his ordeal with the fencing, but I was slightly miffed and trying to express a sense of humour since he had just destroyed half of his permanent electric fencing. I shall not joke in the future.

Finally, Ben does not like sharing his paddock with other horses since he lost Ebony, this is a fact he becomes aggressive and there are not the right horses there to deal with this even if 'sharing paddocks' were an option, I actually believe that since he is very happy and content in his own paddock, if it were an option (which it isn't) to force him to share, because it is 'the natural way of things' would not be fair to him. He loves his stable and solitude and people more than anything, his dam and Ebs were his world, never any other horse, he has only ever tolerate one other a gelding that was way bigger and grumpier than him and he went for him after he lost Ebony. However, just because he loves people, this does not mean that they can't be firm with him Amymay. This is not sad for him, it is black and white. He was Emotionally put back in his gremlin cage for a few days, and he is praised at the end of a task for being good.

He is greeted with a 'Hello baby boy' as I round the corner and he whinneys a welcome, I don my hat, pick up my whip and give him a growly *i mean business* 'back up' before we leave the stable. when he has walked properly and respectfully, he has a pat, a scratch, a 'good boy' and is turned away. The other day he went out with a scowl and ears back tail swishing all the way and coiled like a spring, he was held firm, but not reprimanded because it was pouring dowl and the yard was flooded, and he despises and is wary of puddles' on the other hand if the day was sunny and dry and he tried that on with me, I would tell him to grow up.

I hope that goes a small way to clearing up my verbal sense of offensive humour when my horse had just caused a load of damage at the yard.
 
Blimey - I missed this! Just caught up on the last thread.

Sounds like a boundaries/personality thing and he has pushed his and his personality led him to.

A 'pasting' to a (thick) rug will just make a lot of noise and not achieve much else. Back to groundwork and basic 'my space/I'm the leader, listen to me' Parelli (without calling it such :rolleyes:)

How did you get a 'holday'over that?
 
I do not understand how you can say you've rescued horses all your life and then that you'd still happily give him a couple of whacks with a crop!!! It just doesnt follow, and a couple of whacks are still not an acceptable way to deal with groundwork failings.

The whole paragraph about him liking his solidarity and being emotionally put back in a cage is you anthropomorphising your emotions onto a horse. I suspect you only have small paddocks which is most likely the issue when you've tried to put him in with others, that he's felt he didnt have enough space to get away and you've stood and watched and gone omg theyre kicking each other and whipped him out rather than letting the pecking order get settled.

I still feel he is a horse who would benefit massively from 24 hr turnout in a big acreage 8acres+ with a mixed herd - and needs some decent groundwork.
 
Glad things are OK for you.

I fully understand where you are coming from, I did not mis read the post and as I see a lot of babies coming through our yard, there are some who will need to shown boundaries. Not for ever, not regularly but need to show some respect. Having read your other posts it never crossed my mind that you were seriously going to beat up your horse! Some horses ARE picky about whom they go out with. My mare likes company but has worked her way through most of the yard till we found that actually, she and my gelding will tolerate each other. The mare she seemed to like the most, called after, was the one she seriously tried to kick 7 bells out of!
 
when i read your first post i read it ,i expect, exactly the way you thought people would read it, a bit tongue in cheek with a bit of humor as having read your previous posts i doubted that you would begin battering the poor horse - because i like you have a young horse horse who can get a bit big for her boots and i do have to tell myself to be tougher with her because thats just not who i am - we had a similar situation the other week where she started pushing her boundaries with lunging and general handling still fine to handle most of the time then she would have an idea - like jumping out of the school when she'd had enough on the lunge and refusing to go in the wet parts of the school so the other day i had to tell my self that by the end of this session i will have achieved xyz she will lunge through the massive puddles in the school no hysteria and she will work - well it was easier than you may think i walked her into the school picked up the lunge whip ( which i wasn't about to 'give her a pasting' with) and she started being and idiot about it - this is not normally something thats an issue - any way it resulted in her geting her nickers in such a twist that she reared up and went straight over backwards landing smack in the middle of the biggest puddle covering half for our school - she stood up soaking wet and covered in sand and hasnt tried anything naughty since lunged beautifully not avoiding any puddles and no attempts to make a run for it and even managed to behave and keep all four feet on the ground at the show we went to on friday which is a small miracle!!

its sad that as such a longstanding memeber of the forum you have to defend your self over a post that probably in hindsight should have been worded more serious but surely knowing the poster people could have seen that it was ment to be OT and artially tongue in cheek?
 
if you are happy with how you are handling things why do you feel the need to justify yourself:confused: this thread will go exactly the same way as the last as you want everyone to agree with you and they won't:rolleyes:
 
For goodness sake people, get over yourselves! Horses have to learn that leccy fences bite and in the natural order of things they will bite and even kick if one horse considers the other has overstepped the boundaries. I fail to see how a whack on a horse's rug can do other than bring him up short abd make him think.

Dons hard hat and runs for cover!
 
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