Vote a p mccoy for sports personality - tonight!

I am sorry, but is this not the same rider who has been banned multiple times for abusing the whip? I bet they never received a mention during the show. That would be like them awarding it to a racing driver who had been banned several times because of reckless driving. How typical of the BBC.
 
Over2You said:
I am sorry, but is this not the same rider who has been banned multiple times for abusing the whip? I bet they never received a mention during the show. That would be like them awarding it to a racing driver who had been banned several times because of reckless driving. How typical of the BBC.
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Another mealy mouthed, misguided, uniformed forum member.
 
Over2You said:
I am sorry, but is this not the same rider who has been banned multiple times for abusing the whip? I bet they never received a mention during the show. That would be like them awarding it to a racing driver who had been banned several times because of reckless driving. How typical of the BBC.
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Name the last time McCoy was given multiple bans for using the whip :)
 
Over2You said:
Use Google and you will find out. Or what about the time he was furious for not winning the Cheltenham Gold Cup. Hurling his whip to the ground and shouting angrily because Gloria Victis had broken his leg.
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Where have you got your information from, Animal Aid? He was in tears, not shouting because the horse has broken a leg.

Anyway, I've just read through your previous posts and realised the kind of person you are :) So all I'm going to say is I'm very sorry you feel this dedicated, inspirational sportsman shouldnt have won last night, but he did, because he's amazing racing united behind him - hundreds of thousands of votes more than his nearest rival. So go and have a paddy somewhere else, there's always one :cool:
 
Over2You said:
Use Google and you will find out. Or what about the time he was furious for not winning the Cheltenham Gold Cup. Hurling his whip to the ground and shouting angrily because Gloria Victis had broken his leg.
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Ap was so upset that Gloria Victis had a broken leg that, if I remember right he gave up all his other rides that day. I think that if you knew anything about this man, or had ever listened to any of his intervues, that day at Cheltenham was one of the worst days of his life. No doubt your knowledge of jump racing and your capabilities on a racehorse would far exeed the brilliance of AP. paddock Jockey springs to mind.
 
Over2You said:
I am sorry, but is this not the same rider who has been banned multiple times for abusing the whip? I bet they never received a mention during the show. That would be like them awarding it to a racing driver who had been banned several times because of reckless driving. How typical of the BBC.
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You are not alone my friend. Though I have often been racing and thus guilty by association - I can't stand the manner in which some jockeys feel it necessary to literally flog their poor mounts over the line - and the Rules seem to have changed attitudes very little over the years with different standards being applied at the various courses.

I'm not sure if I've heard Mr McCoy's opinions on horses directly but Ruby Walsh for instance said that he doesn't think much of them at all apart from it's his job. Just don't start me on Lester Piggott!

The whole industry has much to answer for - seeming to delight in breeding highly strung nutcases then keeping them in for 23 out of the 24 hours, teaching them to gallop and little else at the age of two and that's just for the ones that make it - lord help the ones that don't.
 
I wish I could remember the huge, highlighted quote from yesterdays Racing Post, but it went along the lines of 'People forget us jockeys get into racing because we love horses' - AP McCoy has stated at all times during this campaign that he loves horses, is heartbroken when they get hurt and does it for the love of the horse.

Here is his Twitter post from earlier today:
Thank you everyone for all your votes and support,also to all the horses and people who made it possible.An amazing once in a lifetime night

He even thanks the horses - and you say he doesnt love and respect them?! Ruby Walsh may have made his views clear, but don't tar them all with the same brush - AP is totally different, he adores them.

On another note - ever been to a racing yard? The NH horses get plenty of turnout, Jackdaws Castle (Jonjo O'Neills place, Tony mostly rides his horses) has a public footpath through it and you can walk up and see all the poor, mistreated horses lounging about in their paddocks for hours on end. They are treated like kings and loved by their owners, their lads, their trainer and their jockey. Especially AP.

I wish people would do their own research (not look at Animal Aids page or read something from the Daily Mail) before they start on about racing. If you are talking about National Hunt racing, research National Hunt racing. Also have a read on the BHA site about whip rules - probably the most tightly enforced and regulated rules in the world for racing.
 
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teagreen said:
I wish I could remember the huge, highlighted quote from yesterdays Racing Post, but it went along the lines of 'People forget us jockeys get into racing because we love horses' - AP McCoy has stated at all times during this campaign that he loves horses, is heartbroken when they get hurt and does it for the love of the horse.
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Truly wonderful - I did admit that I hadn't heard any personal quotes. I now understand that he says one thing yet does quite another.

How can you love something and then beat it - I'll try it on her indoors shall I? I'm off to have my tea in a moment - hello dear, can't you get that dinner on a bit quicker thrash!

I did what someone else suggested and Googled McCoy whip abuse and received a string the length of my arm along with some very interesting stuff from animal rights folk who may well have an agenda but seem to have collected a vast amount of data that would be hard to dispute of general misuse of the whip by all jockeys.


On another note - ever been to a racing yard?
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Many times, I was almost an owner more than once.

The NH horses get plenty of turnout............mistreated horses lounging about in their paddocks for hours on end. They are treated like kings and loved by their owners, their lads, their trainer and their jockey.
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Yes, admittedly, I think in general the NH horses get a far better deal all round but when racing are still kept worse than prisoners - indeed if you were to treat prisoners in similar manner you'd likely find yourself banged up! Some stablestaff truly do love their job and charges but here we are discussing the jockeys.

I wish people would do their own research.
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I do. I have felt the whip to be totally unacceptable in the hands of jockeys for years - they are simply not to be trusted with one - and in many instances I can recall - completely detrimental to their own chances of winning.

I've even had quite a good debate about it with John Francombe who is quite the equal to Mr McCoy and is a strong adherent to the use of the whip, he maintained that one often needs to give a quick slap up the neck to straighten a horse for safety's sake but I feel this is just an excuse.

I grew up in the age of bronco busting cowboys and thank the lord that has long gone - we now live in the age of Monty Roberts.
 
1stclassalan said:
You are not alone my friend. Though I have often been racing and thus guilty by association - I can't stand the manner in which some jockeys feel it necessary to literally flog their poor mounts over the line - and the Rules seem to have changed attitudes very little over the years with different standards being applied at the various courses.

I'm not sure if I've heard Mr McCoy's opinions on horses directly but Ruby Walsh for instance said that he doesn't think much of them at all apart from it's his job. Just don't start me on Lester Piggott!

The whole industry has much to answer for - seeming to delight in breeding highly strung nutcases then keeping them in for 23 out of the 24 hours, teaching them to gallop and little else at the age of two and that's just for the ones that make it - lord help the ones that don't.
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You are clearly emotive of an industry that you dont have a clue about. What about the breeding of ponies on the hills that dont have any chance at all, only to be slaughtered and fed to zoo animals. I have been involved in racing most of my life, the horses have a life that suits them with people that understand them. I am sick and tired of people slagging off racing. Look at the big picture, where there are horses there are idiots, in every spectrum. No horse be it a plodder to a racehorse is safe from ignorance or cruelty.
 
Okaaaaay :D Whatever you think.

Luckily there were 293,152 not so fluffy people who made sure last night that the inspirational legend, one of the best sportsmen of our time, was finally given the crown he deserves.
 
rosiefronfelen said:
Pastie2 these ignoramouses are not worth writing about,Monty Roberts? well that says it all and how progress has progressed, backwards!!!
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You prefer the good old sacking out method where 'beat 'em til they submit' is the way to go?

Gee, you happen to give a stuff about animal welfare and you are an ignoramus? I would hate to be your horse.

PS: The plural of ignoramus is spelled ignoramuses. Do not try to insult someone if you can not even spell your insulting nouns properly.
 
Over2You said:
You prefer the good old sacking out method where 'beat 'em til they submit' is the way to go?

Gee, you happen to give a stuff about animal welfare and you are an ignoramus? I would hate to be your horse.

PS: The plural of ignoramus is spelled ignoramuses. Do not try to insult someone if you can not even spell your insulting nouns properly.
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Oh, go and boil your head. We are more concerned about animal welfare than you would ever believe. Less concerned about spelling though.
 
Over2You said:
You prefer the good old sacking out method where 'beat 'em til they submit' is the way to go?

Gee, you happen to give a stuff about animal welfare and you are an ignoramus? I would hate to be your horse.

PS: The plural of ignoramus is spelled ignoramuses. Do not try to insult someone if you can not even spell your insulting nouns properly.
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have you worked in racing at all? i have for years and you talk utter tripe!!!
 
This thread started out as a celebration of the greatest jump jockey, of all time, and a brilliant ambassador, for the sport of kings. It has become an embarrassment.

Is simple decency, so completely lacking?

Alec.
 
pastie2 said:
Oh, go and boil your head. We are more concerned about animal welfare than you would ever believe. Less concerned about spelling though.
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Why don't you go an boil yours first. Let me know what it feels like. As for you and your buddies being concerned about animal welfare. Supporting a 'sport' which kills hundreds of horses a year, racing them at 2-years-old when they haven't finished growing, and sending them hurtling over perilous obstacles from a gallop. Yeah, real concerned.
 
rosiefronfelen said:
have you worked in racing at all? i have for years and you talk utter tripe!!!
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Thankfully, I have never been involved in racing. I used to love it as a child. Would even be able to predict outcomes of races. Then, I started to question my love of it when I would continually see downed horses not getting up again. I also became more aware of how often horses were thrashed and forced to race (i.e. being blindfolded and shoved into starting boxes). I did a lot of research and was horrified by what I learned. Horses being slaughtered in their hundreds for not being fast enough. Countless foals being shot for having conformation defects (that would not affect their ability of being general riding horses). Also discovering that the racing industry supports (and funds) horrific animal experimentation programs and the shady world of race fixing and doping.

The rose tinted glasses were blown right off my face in other words.
 
pastie2 said:
You are clearly emotive of an industry that you dont have a clue about.
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Would that be the same industry that funds vivisection and ritualistically kills horses for not being up to the job? I think anti-racing people are more than knowledgeable about it.

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What about the breeding of ponies on the hills that dont have any chance at all, only to be slaughtered and fed to zoo animals.
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Like the racing industry has never done that. :rolleyes:

pastie2 said:
I have been involved in racing most of my life, the horses have a life that suits them with people that understand them.
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They understand them enough to know that their bones and joints have not finished developing at 2-years-old?

pastie2 said:
I am sick and tired of people slagging off racing.
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People slag it off because it is cruel and barbaric.
 
1stclassalan said:
You are not alone my friend. Though I have often been racing and thus guilty by association - I can't stand the manner in which some jockeys feel it necessary to literally flog their poor mounts over the line - and the Rules seem to have changed attitudes very little over the years with different standards being applied at the various courses.

I'm not sure if I've heard Mr McCoy's opinions on horses directly but Ruby Walsh for instance said that he doesn't think much of them at all apart from it's his job. Just don't start me on Lester Piggott!

The whole industry has much to answer for - seeming to delight in breeding highly strung nutcases then keeping them in for 23 out of the 24 hours, teaching them to gallop and little else at the age of two and that's just for the ones that make it - lord help the ones that don't.
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Thank you for your greatly appreciated support. :) You are absolutely right. The industry has a lot of questions to answer. The whip rules are a joke. Jockeys will usually only be off for a few days following a ban. As for suspended bans - they are the biggest joke of all. You can break the rules, but you can continue riding for the rest of the day/meeting. So, there is not much incentive to obey the rules.

Regarding breeding. They simply can not stop over producing. There are no penalties whatsoever for this practice. The horses are always the ones who pay the ultimate price.
 
Over2You said:
Why don't you go an boil yours first. Let me know what it feels like. As for you and your buddies being concerned about animal welfare. Supporting a 'sport' which kills hundreds of horses a year, racing them at 2-years-old when they haven't finished growing, and sending them hurtling over perilous obstacles from a gallop. Yeah, real concerned.
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you are showing your ignorance dearie, 2 year olds race on the flat, not over fences- dear oh dear- lol!!
 
Over2You said:
I was merely summarizing racing by stating several FACTS. Did you not understand that? I know fine well two-year-olds are not raced over jumps.
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Instead of arguing the toss on this forum, being as you are so knowledgeable and anti racing why not post your views to the Jockey Club instead of making this thread that started out very light heartedly, so emotive??
 
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