vote on hunting after the next election
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Countryman
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Nothing new - it was in the manifesto in 2005 and 2010, and 2015 too. It obviously can't be a priority right now but righting wrongs is still the right thing to do.
pepsimaxrock
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thats what the ban did
Countryman
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No. It delivered an illiberal law that actively damages animal welfare. And all so a few MP's could shout 'revenge for the miners' and vote for War in Iraq... Little did they know (or care) hunting was very popular in Mining communities...
AmyMay
Situation normal
Let's hope they don't waste parliamentary time on it.
Countryman
Well-Known Member
Agreed. Quick, one line bill. "The Hunting Act 2004 is hereby repealed in all its parts".
AmyMay
Situation normal
Um.........
popsdosh
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Yes well im a hunting supporter who wishes they would just be thankful for what they have and stop the political ping pong it does nobody any good . If its a priority for TM she may even lose my vote as its getting ridiculous. Grow up and move on or next time round you will lose it completely!!!!
AmyMay
Situation normal
Hear, hear.
Clodagh
Rage, rage, against the dying of the light.
So true, really is hunting the most important thing at the moment? Playing is really not a priority right now.
popsdosh
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Is it really as unpopular as many seem to try to make out.
After all, Tony Blair had to use the Parliament Act to get the bill through parliament, not exactly an example of democracy. At least with a free vote, the outcome, whichever way it goes, will be democratic.
I hunt!!! make of that what you will
it was a free vote when it was banned so dont try that one . The parliament act is used by all sides especially as it was in their manifesto. Do you know what will happen if the act is repealed, next time theirs a labour government they will bring in legislation that is so tight that you will just want back what you have now. That act was draughted badly for a reason which was to leave at least something of a sport.
pennyturner
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TM has to put it in the manifesto, but it would be a disaster to allow it to distract from more pressing business. Absolutely the last thing the country needs is division, and there is nothing more divisive than the class warriors' favourite topic. Let's face it, the ban was never about foxes.
DabDab
Thinks the luddites had a point...
I wish the equestrian community wouldn't keep pushing for the repeal. People can still hunt and get much of the same enjoyment out of it, it's encouraged new people to give it a go, and the rest of the general public are just starting to contemplate that we are not all stuck up fox murderers
hollyandivy123
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. Pennyturner this country is already divided and her mantra of strong and stable........and the country is behind me........is nothing further from the truth. The fact that she will not debate one man....and then she expects us to believe she can debate with the EU, demonstrates how much out of her depth she and the government is. The Tory government thought the EU agencies will stay in this country...the European drug agency for example.
millikins
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TB's original idea to licence hunts was a good idea but overturned by the "toff bashing" brigade. I agree it isn't a priority but the manifesto needs to be about routine government too. The current mash up of an Act doesn't work for anyone, hunters, antis or for that matter foxes.
pennyturner
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Sorry, must have missed the part of the title of this thread which opened up the floor to political polemic. Silly me.
ycbm
Overwhelmed
Televised debate is a media spectacle, not debate in any recognisable form. And debate is not negotiation. You could be a great debater and a rubbish negotiator.
ycbm
Overwhelmed
I don't agree, and I don't agree because I live in one of the vast swathes of the country which have never been actively hunted by dog packs, where foxes are and always have been controlled by guns.
I am sad to see this in the manifesto, I think it's a mistake politically and in its own right.
pennyturner
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Not sure where you are Ycbm, but we are also surrounded by shooting country where gamekeepers don't tolerate foxes. They use poison and snares mostly. As a result, the area is practically fox-free, but extremely hazardous to other wildlife and to pets too of course. 
ycbm
Overwhelmed
Not sure where you are Ycbm, but we are also surrounded by shooting country where gamekeepers don't tolerate foxes. They use poison and snares mostly. As a result, the area is practically fox-free, but extremely hazardous to other wildlife and to pets too of course.
Peak Park, west side. The farmers shot them. I don't know what the gamekeepers on the shooting moor do.
Did they not poison and snare before hunting with hounds was banned? Hunts only hunt in winter, birds are bred and/or shot all year round.
I cannot understand why snares are legal, they are disgusting things
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Wagtail
Horse servant
Agree. I'm sick to the teeth of it. So much so that now it's back on the table, I'm abstaining from voting, so that's one vote lost from a horsey person who supports hunting under law. People still hunt. They enjoy it. Why push to be allowed to do it in a crueler way?
abbijay
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I for one am very pleased TM's announced this, but not for the same reasons as most.
I am very much on the left in politics but in support of hunting (make of that what you will!) and I think she will alienate a chunk of anti-hunting tory supporter that will really mix things up on 8th June. We have the left heading left and the right heading right, I thought elections were won from the middle?!
It is frustrating that she won't engage in debate but will take the hubby out to tell people about their bins! And to be heard telling all potential future female prime ministers (or doctors or astronauts or construction managers) that there are boy jobs and girl jobs... Well, that's hardly a message of equality and opportunity.
I am very much on the left in politics but in support of hunting (make of that what you will!) and I think she will alienate a chunk of anti-hunting tory supporter that will really mix things up on 8th June. We have the left heading left and the right heading right, I thought elections were won from the middle?!
It is frustrating that she won't engage in debate but will take the hubby out to tell people about their bins! And to be heard telling all potential future female prime ministers (or doctors or astronauts or construction managers) that there are boy jobs and girl jobs... Well, that's hardly a message of equality and opportunity.
Wagtail
Horse servant
I am more than sad. I am angry because my conscience will no longer allow me to vote for the party I wanted to vote for. If my vote has been lost, who knows how many of the people who were otherwise going to vote but are now reminded of what they see as the tory elite wanting to gallop around on horses chasing foxes with a pack of dogs? Stupid to put it in. Just stupid.
Shay
Well-Known Member
If you voted conservative before what stops you doing so now? A free vote on the hunting act has been in their manifesto for years and was in fact tabled last parliamentary year only to be withdrawn when the SNP stated their intention to vote even though this would only have brought English law into line with the law as it stands in Scotland. Nothing is new now. If you voted conservative before this is what you voted for.
Wagtail
Horse servant
Because in the past I thought they were only paying lip-service. But now I see it as a foolish move and one that does not deserve my vote. Making such a stupid mistake makes me lose confidence in the 'safe pair of hands'.
Fellewell
Well-Known Member
This is a vote against the continual misuse of the judicial system. It is also a vote against wasting valuable policing resources and against attacks on struggling businesses trying to make a living.
There are plenty of genuine cases of animal cruelty for these people to expose but as always they choose a 'soft' target which is wrongly attributed to class and guaranteed to start a media scrum.
There are plenty of genuine cases of animal cruelty for these people to expose but as always they choose a 'soft' target which is wrongly attributed to class and guaranteed to start a media scrum.
Annagain
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Is it really as unpopular as many seem to try to make out.
After all, Tony Blair had to use the Parliament Act to get the bill through parliament, not exactly an example of democracy. At least with a free vote, the outcome, whichever way it goes, will be democratic.
Regardless of your views on hunting (I can't say I'm particularly bothered either way) I don't think you could argue the ban was undemocratic. It's the perfect example of democracy. There was a free vote in the House of Commons which voted in favour of a ban. There was no whipping the vote so each elected member voted with their conscience and with an understanding of both local and national feeling (i.e. exactly the way the House of Commons is supposed to work, we elect a representative, they work to understand the issues and make a decision on our behalf). The unelected House of Lords then voted against a ban, against the long standing Salisbury Convention which means that the Lords do not vote down a Government Bill mentioned in an election manifesto. The Parliament Act which was introduced nearly 100 years before to ensure the rights of the masses were not undermined by these unelected elite was therefore used. What's undemocratic about that?
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southerncomfort
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Me too I'm afraid. There are strong reasons why I don't feel I can vote for any of the main parties. None of them represent my views. I might have voted Tory just to give Corbyn a bloody nose but I don't feel I can, if my vote might lead to the repeal of the hunting bill.
I'd far rather the tories concentrate on education and the NHS. This makes them sounds like the party of the rich and the upper classes again. They never learn.
popsdosh
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They have only offered the free vote again ! there is no guarantee it would get repealed however there are far more important things need sorting which maybe your votes may help achieve.
DC was given a let off when he won the last election as he tried to use it early on to show up the SNP for the liars they were.
DC was given a let off when he won the last election as he tried to use it early on to show up the SNP for the liars they were.
Annagain
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Quite. I'd never vote for them anyway but if I was wavering, this certainly wouldn't sway me.