Warmbloods and Eventing - Opinions Please?

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Watching Burley today, are all the horses Thoroughbred? Do you think Warmbloods would be just as good?

Would like to know if anyone has experience of competing there warbloods and what level you think they would be able to achieve?

Thanks
 
Ok looking at top 10

LENAMORE Caroline Powell ISH - ID x TB
110 SEACOOKIE William Fox-Pitt Warmblood - Trak dam and TB sire
86 BE MY GUEST II Clayton Fredericks Warmblood but a TB sire - cannot find dam
93 CAROUSEL QUEST Oliver Townend Warmblood - holstein sire and TB dam
18 APACHE SAUCE Mary King 44.8 6 - - Mainly TB with some ID
24 MACCHIATO William Fox-Pitt 46.8 10 2.0 - TB
105 KINGS TEMPTRESS Mary King 45.3 8 - - Warmblood - TB sire and dam with Hanno
78 LEAD THE WAY Clea Phillipps 49.5 18 0.4 - TB
25 TWINKLE BEE Anna Warnecke 50.5 20 - - Mainly TB with some ID
106 SIR PERCIVAL III Francis Whittington 48.3 13 - - ISH - Mainly TB with ID
 
Im really intred as I have 2 warmbloods that are of mainly Hannovarian bloodlines and wondered if they would be athletic enough and have enough stamina to withstand such a high level event?.
 
I think you would need a horse with a lot of TB blood, but most warmbloods will have a lot of tb in them if you look at their pedigrees, mine is 3/4 tb. There are full tb's standing in various European studbooks as they have passed the gradings but to a lot of people they would be "warmbloods" so you do need to check the breeding of the individual horse to see how suitable it would be.
 
Most Hannos either have a large dose of TB or of Trakhner blood. What are your horses bloodlines?
 
LEC said:
Most Hannos either have a large dose of TB or of Trakhner blood. What are your horses bloodlines?
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I really don't know much about breeding - one is of the following sires -

Hanoverian Galant - Baron B VII (on Dams side)
Hurikan - Skalar (On Sires Side)

Other is

Hanoverian Galant - Obdiah (On Dams side)
Hurikan - Skalar (on Sires side)

Any clue with those names - could go further back if thats any help?

Thank you
 
Check out all the horses with "Carnaval" (spelt like that!) prefixes- their sire is a warmblood, and they all seem to do very well at higher levels...
 
Stelzar said:
The horse with the bloodline
Hanoverian Galant VII has more TB than I though, he also is 4 x Great Grandson to Welsh Rake and Indigenious - Also TB! WOW so may have potential I guess this is kinda exciting - Was looking for that Breed Website thank you ;-)
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And with Gazal fairly close - he's in a lot of sport horse event-type breeding, particularly Trakehners.

You'd be very hard pressed to find any modern warmbloods without TB in them, it's been so heavily used as a refining influence. The trick is what the actual line has been bred for. For example, the stallion Lauries Crusador, a relatively recent TB addition, has produced (as was intended) far more dressage horses than anything else. The whole point of warmblood breeding is that they breed so specifically, tracking statistics etc., so any TBs that are in there are there for a reason, which may or may not be to produce event types. It depends on the individual as much as what's on paper.

It depends on what you mean by "eventing" too. There are lots of horses doing very well at the lower levels that would never be fast enough/have enough stamina to be competitive at 4*. It can be harder to get wb's fit and sometimes their conformation is not designed to gallop easily, but again, that isn't such a problem at lower levels.

I think what's interesting to the "only TBs can event" crowd, should be how FEW horses at the top end are TBs now, either bred for sport or racing. People wouldn't be choosing to ride warmbloods (which, technically speaking, are a mix of other breeds and TB) if they weren't winning.
 
TarrSteps said:
And with Gazal fairly close - he's in a lot of sport horse event-type breeding, particularly Trakehners.

You'd be very hard pressed to find any modern warmbloods without TB in them, it's been so heavily used as a refining influence. The trick is what the actual line has been bred for. For example, the stallion Lauries Crusador, a relatively recent TB addition, has produced (as was intended) far more dressage horses than anything else. The whole point of warmblood breeding is that they breed so specifically, tracking statistics etc., so any TBs that are in there are there for a reason, which may or may not be to produce event types. It depends on the individual as much as what's on paper.

It depends on what you mean by "eventing" too. There are lots of horses doing very well at the lower levels that would never be fast enough/have enough stamina to be competitive at 4*. It can be harder to get wb's fit and sometimes their conformation is not designed to gallop easily, but again, that isn't such a problem at lower levels.

I think what's interesting to the "only TBs can event" crowd, should be how FEW horses at the top end are TBs now, either bred for sport or racing. People wouldn't be choosing to ride warmbloods (which, technically speaking, are a mix of other breeds and TB) if they weren't winning.
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I agree totally of what you are saying!

Right after much breeding looking into and following up - here are my guys breeding, honest opinion on what you think there performance will be like? They are only 2 and 16hh already I hope they reach at least 16.2hh

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/valerian14

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/vectis+valour

Took me a while to link all the breeding up lol
 
Stelzar said:
Im really intred as I have 2 warmbloods that are of mainly Hannovarian bloodlines and wondered if they would be athletic enough and have enough stamina to withstand such a high level event?.
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I have a youngster in his first year of eventing, rising five having only been backed last year, his breeding is KPWN Sire to a TB mare, he's a brother to Ruth Edge's "Nick of Thyme".

From personal experience, he has lovely paces and the potential to do a really sweet dressage test, he showjumps very nicely and has a very athletic jump, where we've had problems is with the XC in that he tends to try to Showjump the fences and treats them as individual obstacles rather than part of a sequence, so far a lot of the emphasis has been on getting him to jump flatter, a mixture of inexerience, maturity and a WB tendency. I would have had concerns over the long format 3DE looking ahead, but the new short format does seem to favour WB.

It does seem that WB's tend to have the edge in Dressage and SJ, with TB being ahead on the XC phase, it could be really interesting to see the bloodlines coming to the fore. I know that there are an awful lot of exceptions to my argument, there always will be, but thats from personal observation
 
Valarian - Has quite a lot of Czech breeding with a fair dose of TB. I cannot find anything about his sire on sport horse breed database but can find his great grand sire Hurikan. http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10474660

I am not sure if you have the right grand sire as there seems to be quite a few Skalar recorded?

Baron B in the damline lists eventers in his progeny.Also in the damline is arab through the stallion Galant. Argentan produced Argentinius who produced Nick Skeltons Arko.
 
LEC said:
Valarian - Has quite a lot of Czech breeding with a fair dose of TB. I cannot find anything about his sire on sport horse breed database but can find his great grand sire Hurikan. http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10474660

I am not sure if you have the right grand sire as there seems to be quite a few Skalar recorded?

Baron B in the damline lists eventers in his progeny.Also in the damline is arab through the stallion Galant. Argentan produced Argentinius who produced Nick Skeltons Arko.
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Hello LEC,

Wow you are a bible of knowledge I love the fact that you can trace bloodlines so easily - do you work in breeding or just know most of it?

I really want to compete the two horses that I have it's taken me ages to save up for them, Im breaking them myself to start, but who do you think I could go to for further training? I really want them to be the best they can be?

Thank you for all your help It's so interesting!

Stelzar x
 
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