Warning re aqueous cream...

[blitznbobs]

I've seen loads of ppl on here suggesting that people use aqueous cream as a hoof moisturiser . Some of you may know that I am a human dr. There have been some fairly recent and extensive studies that if used as an emollient (ie moisturiser) it destroys the skins layers - thinning the skin and causing lots of damage . It was originally (and correctly) to be used as a soap substitute NOT a moisturiser and I would hate to think what it does to the hoof's wall... Please if you are going to use it read the evidence first... Your horses hooves are better off bare than using this stuff I'm sure....

 

[brown tack]

Im with you on this one, having been in the health care sector most of my working life, I've seen the damage it does to the skin. I did debate it with myself to use in my tb before I sold him, but thought better of it and stuck too hoof moist.

 

[Queenbee]

I've seen loads of ppl on here suggesting that people use aqueous cream as a hoof moisturiser . Some of you may know that I am a human dr. There have been some fairly recent and extensive studies that if used as an emollient (ie moisturiser) it destroys the skins layers - thinning the skin and causing lots of damage . It was originally (and correctly) to be used as a soap substitute NOT a moisturiser and I would hate to think what it does to the hoof's wall... Please if you are going to use it read the evidence first... Your horses hooves are better off bare than using this stuff I'm sure....

Thank you for the warning, I saw some mention of this on here earlier and was going to look it up, I don't use it but was interested in the whats, whys and wherefores

 

[Jesstickle]

You wouldn't happen to have journal links would you? Or at least the volume. Are the studies published in the BMJ?

I'm nosey me.

 

[amandap]

I have very sensitive skin and was prescribed it years ago as a soap substitute but I found it an irritant, especially on my face.

As an aside, imo hooves don't need moisturizing they need feeding properly.

 

[tinap]

My son was prescribed it for little pimply spots on his arms & they ended up looking horrendous - quickly threw it away! Hate the stuff!!

 

[blitznbobs]

I'm in bed at present -- so will find the reference tomorrow for you ( I've got it in a file somewhere at work)

 

[**Vanner**]

Thanks bitz ~ just goes to show how things can be incorrectly thought of.

 

[Jesstickle]

I'm in bed at present -- so will find the reference tomorrow for you ( I've got it in a file somewhere at work)

Thank you! No urgency. I am just always interested to read a nice journal article. Especially as I can do it at work and it doesn't look suspicious as I'm meant to read journals from time to time. Unlike being on here which is clearly NOT work! lol

Funny how it really does seem to work for feet. I imagine the alkali effect of aqueous cream on a horses foot would be pretty small unless you're piling it on six times a day. I doubt twice a week makes much difference to hoof strength. But then I haven't read the journal yet so I could be utterly wrong!

 

[Lotty]

I've never used it on horses but I do use it myself as a hand cream.

 

[hayinamanger]

Strewth, I've been using it on my face for about a year no wonder I look so rough

 

[blitznbobs]

It's the soapy stuff that's in it ( just had a brain freeze) that breaks down the lipid layers within the skin turning any fatty substance into mush ..., that's technical!!!

 

[Jesstickle]

It's the soapy stuff that's in it ( just had a brain freeze) that breaks down the lipid layers within the skin turning any fatty substance into mush ..., that's technical!!!

Detergent. Probably sodium laurel sulphate or SDS? I call it SDS as I work in a lab. Can see how that would do it! Nasty stuff. Good for cleaning stuff though

 

[Kat]

Yikes my sister was advised to use it as a moisturiser on her ecezma (so?) Years ago and has been doing so ever since. Will suggest she rethinks!

 

[blitznbobs]

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2133.2010.09954.x/full

quick google search !

 

[Jesstickle]

Win! It is indeed SLS that they are talking about. Massive geek moment!

Thanks for the link. Will have to find an Athens log in to read it though as it isn't something we subscribe to Shouldn't be too hard though as we have a PhD student with as at the moment

 

[Mare Stare]

SLS is nasty stuff on it's own. I've started making my own soaps to avoid it.

I was originally prescribed aquaeous cream for my eczema but it made me more itchy than what the eczema did!

 

[Crazydancer]

I'm quite shocked at this!!!

I was instructed to slather this on by the bucket load by the hospital when I was having radiotherapy..... to stop the skin breaking down!!! But from what you have said it would do the opposite!

And I still have a tub I was using for a hand moisturiser..... will be looking for an alternative now.

 

[Louby]

Ive been having awful trouble with my skin recently so started using Aqueous cream instead of my usual dermalogica moisturiser a couple of weeks ago, mainly as my hubbys doc told him to use it years ago. My skin has started to look so much better Maybe its turning to mush
Im seeing a dermatologist tomorrow so will mention it to him.

 

[cptrayes]

It's the soapy stuff that's in it ( just had a brain freeze) that breaks down the lipid layers within the skin turning any fatty substance into mush ..., that's technical!!!

I can see why this would affect skin, but I can't see why it would affect nails or horses' feet adversely. I started using it after dozens of people on here reported how effective it was as a "hoof oil". I have seen nothing but great results in a barefoot horse who develops cosmetic cracks in his feet in dry weather.

Can anyone give us the science of whether it will also damage nails in humans and feet in horses? Sodium laurel sulphate seems to be an ingredient in all shampoos, shower gels and bath foams, how dangerous is it?


ps just read the abstract pointed to above. The study was of 27 "sites" (in only SIX humans) In about half the sites, there was no effect on forearm skin. Is there more and better evidence than this because it does not really suggest that there is likely to be any harm to a horse's hooves, and plenty of people are reporting benefits.

 

[domane]

I've never used it on horses but I do use it myself as a hand cream.

Me too! Funnily enough, the tub is just about finished and I was about to buy another.... don't think I'll bother now....

 

[Merry Crisis]

Crikey, I have recommended the stuff to everyone, I use it myself, my horse uses it, infact I have just smothered myself in it.

 

[blitznbobs]

The point is in soap, shampoo etc you wash it off.., and aqueous as a soap substitute is fine just not as a moisturiser. I was under the impression that hooves have a lipid outer layer - therefore sds is bbad but read the studies and make up your own mind...

 

[frostie652]

I use dermol lotion rather than aqueous, its pretty good stuff, less gloopy (therefore easire to spread aswell). My skin is so sensitive, I litereally cannot use any soap/shampoo/bubble bath/conditioner thats not specialist stuff or my psoriosis flares up big time!

 

[MissTyc]

I used to use it as a hand moisturiser and it quickly became clear that my hands were getting worse and worse. I used more and more cream and they got even more worse and worse!
Stopped using and within 4 months fairly normal hands (rough, but normal and not painful). Now use suncream instead and great hands!

 

[cptrayes]

The point is in soap, shampoo etc you wash it off.., and aqueous as a soap substitute is fine just not as a moisturiser. I was under the impression that hooves have a lipid outer layer - therefore sds is bbad but read the studies and make up your own mind...

Interesting ... do you know if human nails do? If they do then hooves are likely to, I would have thought. I'm off to google it, and whether "cold cream" has SLS/SDS in.


Follow up - the lipid layer in horses hooves is formed by the laminae. The aqueous cream would have to get all the way through the hoof wall, which is predominantly a protein called keratin, to the laminae to affect the lipids in the hoof. Personally I think that's unlikely to affect the feet but I can see why people would not want to use it.

 

[indie999]

Yikes my sister was advised to use it as a moisturiser on her ecezma (so?) Years ago and has been doing so ever since. Will suggest she rethinks!

Aqueous cream use to be one of the treatments and used extensively for eczema after a good wash/bath with emulsifying ointments, patients use to be slathered with it(& I dont remember their skin falling off or anyone ever complaining though)!?!. Now Hydromol is used. I wouldnt even think to put aqueous on hooves etc or much else(cornucresine??spelling around band but never hoof) but I do use it sometimes on my old boys sheath or hydromol.Whatever is to hand(literally) but now go for a tub of hydromol.

If you look at different brands of Aqueous cream they do contain slightly different ingredients as I had one brand for taking off eye makeup and it didnt sting but another shops own brand did.When I checked the ingredients there was a difference.
However Hydromol is good etc. I also sometimes use good old vaseline!

Johnsons baby lotion is very perfumed! Go for Hydromol for human skin..old boy has survived many tubs of Aqueous on his bits and bobs.(Horse I mean)

 

[laura_lor]

Wow - interesting to know I'm not the only person who has had an adverse reaction to aqueous cream! My entire family swear by it, so a few years ago when I got a tiny patch of dry skin on my hip (about the size of a 20 pence piece) they told me to put some on. Woke up the next morning to find it had developed into a red raw and very itchy rash going all the way around my stomach and back. I've never touched the stuff again after that, quite interesting to read the science behind it too!

Thanks for the heads up

 

[indie999]

Has Aqueous cream been withdrawn from sale if its deemed this bad? I think its still available and would continue to use it.

Aqueous cream was used for donkeys years in dermatology clinics and I dont remember seeing anyone have adverse side effects, it was used by the bucket load on patients with terrible eczema. Hydromol is now very popular. I am sure it hasnt been withdrawn from any shelves etc in shops.

But hooves I wouldnt know?

 

[amandap]

I can't see the abstract on that link. Is this the same study?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20649794