watching Olympia now.

What a shame and a bit of a shambles. The person who wondered why some of the dressage horses had little squares of hair left on sides will understand now. When they brought the horse back they pointed at his sides to say look he is fine. Like FM says if it was spur marks the steward should have said straight away.
When he went over the 2nd last his legs went far back just from the sheer effort of the round so such a shame if he clipped him.

Lets hope it is sorted soon. Fingers crossed because it was a fantastic round.
 
As others have said it should of been pointed out immeadietly as some of the other riders wouldn't of rode the way the did if they hadn't been under so much pressure? Something is fishy though...
 
still seems to be confusion, looks like Michael Whittaker has won and I cant' see Bertram mounted.

I'd really love to know exactly what it is in the end that has disqualified him, and why it took until after the winners were announced.
 
They really should have handled it better. I think someone probably complained. Wouldn't be shocked i was kind of expecting it when the next time from him was two seconds people will question that. Poor bertrum he looked gutted.
 
I hope Bertrum wins on appeal, but it will be a shame for him not to be awarded his win at olympia with the crowd. I also hope, that Michael will fully support him in an appeal.
Wonder if we will ever know what the welfare issue is!?
 
Didn't Hans-Dieter Dreher have something similar happen last year?
although his was after jumping 2 rounds, and picked up before the jump off.

does it have to be blood, or would a rub where hair has come off/skin is exposed be reason for a disqualification?
 
Feeling Merry said:
I hope Bertrum wins on appeal, but it will be a shame for him not to be awarded his win at olympia with the crowd. I also hope, that Michael will fully support him in an appeal.
Wonder if we will ever know what the welfare issue is!?
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It looked like Michael was arguing Bertram's case - he clearly wasn't happy with Bertram's DQ and was gesturing rather a lot at Bertram's horse before he mounted his own to go into the ring - so I wouldn't be surprised if he did choose to support an appeal.
 
If Bertram was not disqualified and tomorrow someone posted on here a close up of him on his horse receiving the first place prize on a horse with blood on his flanks... what would be the response? Harsh or not, handled badly or not, the right call was made. As a public we are calling for a tougher response on 'welfare issues' within the sport, whether this be use of whips and spurs or rolkur... can we really take a moral stand and then say 'oh but they did such a good fast round, lets ignore the blood on the flanks?' do we really want that to happen.

Im not saying that it was excessive use of spurs, could just be rotten luck, I certainly did not see any issue with the rounds he did, but there was blood so the right call was made, its a call that had to be made under the circumstances. It may not have been handled perfectly but it was handled, it was not ignored and I for one welcome that.
 
The stewards are there to do a job and rules have to be adhered to. Badly handled though and I don't see the need to televise the back stage arguments etc.
 
Prancer and Vixen said:
If Bertram was not disqualified and tomorrow someone posted on here a close up of him on his horse receiving the first place prize on a horse with blood on his flanks... what would be the response? Harsh or not, handled badly or not, the right call was made. As a public we are calling for a tougher response on 'welfare issues' within the sport, whether this be use of whips and spurs or rolkur... can we really take a moral stand and then say 'oh but they did such a good fast round, lets ignore the blood on the flanks?' do we really want that to happen.

Im not saying that it was excessive use of spurs, could just be rotten luck, I certainly did not see any issue with the rounds he did, but there was blood so the right call was made, its a call that had to be made under the circumstances. It may not have been handled perfectly but it was handled, it was not ignored and I for one welcome that.
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I agree it just should have been handled better. They will learn from it though.

Just don't see why they had to wait til everyone had jumped to say "actually you haven't won sorry".
 
Where has it said about blood on horses' flanks? I couldn't see anything when they led the horse around.

What gets me, is the 'delay' in telling us all, Bertram included. He should have been told soon as his round finished, if indeed it was that serious to DQ him.
 
Prancer and Vixen said:
As a public we are calling for a tougher response on 'welfare issues' within the sport, whether this be use of whips and spurs or rolkur... can we really take a moral stand and then say 'oh but they did such a good fast round, lets ignore the blood on the flanks?' do we really want that to happen.
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Slightly off topic but there was some frankly atrocious riding at Olympia that I'm far more concerned about than a slight cut caused by the slip of a spur (that, in Bertram's case, were clearly not being overused). I'm not sure how Olympia - or any horse show - would put rules in place against bad riding, though!
 
rachk89 said:
I agree it just should have been handled better. They will learn from it though.

Just don't see why they had to wait til everyone had jumped to say "actually you haven't won sorry".
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It would take time for the stewards to refer the horse to the vets/ground jury to liaise with one another.
 
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