Weak ankles... Any advice appreciated

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Warning: This may turn out loooongggg! I apologise in advance.

A little bit of background first... All my riding life between the age of nothing up until the beginning of last year, I rode with my legs all over the place, sticking out at all ankles. After a years break, I started having proper good lessons last summer and I learnt how to open up my seat bones, my thighs and my knees and create a tunnel around the horse.

Yesterday, I had my first lesson in a month and a half and my ankles felt really weak and actually quite painful. I wear short boots and chaps when I ride. I find that nothing really supports my ankle, no matter how tight fitting the boot. Perhaps my muck boots may hold me in more but that's not what I need. I need to strengthen my muscles etc.

I have drawn a couple of little diagrams to help explain myself....

So, this is what I used to ride like on the left and what I ride like now.

On the left, I'm trying to show you how I used to grip with my thighs and my knees and my lower leg was not on the horse and was also way back behind the girth. When I ride like this now, my knees to ankles are in a straight line, as illustrated and my ankles are more fixed. On the right, I'm trying to show you how I ride now, with a tunnel. My knees are more relaxed with my seat bones open but when I relax my ankles, they collapse and hurt:

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Here's a couple of examples of my previous riding position:

V.short stirrups as jumping but these are way too short I know but this was about 3 years ago!

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This is what I mean but the straight line with fixed ankle from knee to foot:

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And of my position now (although this photo isn't great, I hope the difference still shows):

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I've also done a little diagram to try and illustrate where I feel my ankle is hurty!

The red circle is where I feel my muscles collapse. When I drop the tension, to make my ankles come round, it feels like someone cuts something in my ankle and my ankle goes limp (I wouldn't say it was relaxed). But I can't hold it. The blue circle is actually where I think my ankle gives way. I've tried to look today and see what happens when I drop my ankle but it's hard to see and also, it's not the same as it is on a horse.

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Yesterday, my instructor said I need to go away and work on my core strength and the strength in my legs, especially ankles but to be honest with you, I have no idea where to start when it comes to my ankles. I used to stand on the bottom step when I was younger but that's helping the back of my ankles more... How do I make the sides stronger?

Any help would be much appreciated. I don't want my crappy joints to get in the way of my riding. I felt a bit deflated yesterday but I know it's something I can work on so I'm trying not to be too downhearted.

Donuts from the local farm shop (YUMMMY) on offer. And here's a bonus photo of a cute puppy (not mine-I wish) that I found on my photobucket:

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I thank you in advance :)
 
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I'm afraid I can't help you with the hows and whys, but I may be able to help with exercises. I tore the ligaments and nerve ending in my ankle when I was younger and went through extensive physio to regain the strength. I was only 9 (and I'm 22 now!) so my memory is a bit hazy, but I can remember two of the exercises.

Firstly, get a small ball of some sort (could be a tennis ball, or a small soft football or something along those lines) and when you're sitting down just roll them around under your foot, flexing your ankle.

Secondly, I had a mini trampoline and had to bounce on that several times a day. When I got stronger I had to bounce one foot, to the other, to the other etc. My last exercise was to alternate feet, and then hold it for a certain amount of time on one foot. Then repeat with the other, increasing the amount of time as you get stronger.

Hope that makes sense and it might be of some help.
 
I'll try to explain some of things I've learnt through doing Alexander Technique classes.
When walking or running think of the movement starting from the foot and moving upwards through your limbs. Same with hands..where the hand lead the motion and not the upper arm and shoulder.
I suspect that although you've got your leg positionncorrected that you are still engaging the upper leg before your foot.
If you stand on the floor, preferably use a board to stand on so that you can take your weight on the front if your foot. Then practice the rising motion you use when riding, knees slightly bent but using, and concentrating on your feet to provide the rising and lowering.
Your Achilles may be getting tight because your calf is tensing and making it a struggle to allow the stretching it needs. The area in front of the ankle bone will then struggle as it's fighting against your tight Achilles tendon. I bought a cheap wobble board to help me but yiu don't really need any special equipment it's mostly about learning to use the front if the foot and allowing the rest of the movement to follow. Jogging also helps btw but again concentrate on running from the foot upwards .. Hope thus makes some sense as I've not tried to explain it before :o :)
 
I ride v short and after a break from riding I find my ankles can be a bit sore - usually if I go for a hack in jumping length.

What I do, if starting to ride again after a wee bit of time off, is to drop your stirrups down a hole for a week or so. As you are now putting weight down through your stirrups you need to get your ankles stretching and strengthening up after your time off. Then after a week you can shorten them to normal length.

If you jump in that week, only shorten them for jumping - I'm guessing its when you are at jumping length they hurt.

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this is how short I ride. My ankles are very flexible.
 
Get yourself a wobble board! Broke both my ankles 15 years ago and that, coupled with water resistance exercises in a swimming pool, was what got me going again.

Vary the length of your stirrups too when riding - don't do a full hour on one hole otherwise your tendons/ligaments will tire at first.

See a physio, they may be able to give you exercises with a resistance band, and also use some appropriate machines.

It can be a long haul.......I had to overdose on ibuprofen for a couple of seasons in order to keep hunting and was forever taking my feet out of the stirrups and circling my ankles at any and every check.

I was fairly ancient when this happened and I think if you are younger you can expect to sort the problem much quicker.....given dedication to the exercises!

Good luck.
 
A wobble board is really good - they are pretty cheap as well if you get the blow up kind. I got mine from TK Maxx! I used to do mine while cleaning my teeth for balance on one leg.

Stairs are really good - stand at the back of the stair and just work on stretching your ankles up and down. It will work the achilles through stretching it and the ligaments.
 
Dont even need a wobble board. Remember those balls with a disc on that you would jump around on? Use that. Keeping core straight and tight use you ankles to roll the disc so it is always on floor. Not sure explained that well...
I swim 3 times aweek. And physio has given me exercise of standing on step lifting up and down. as lec said. But also try with knees bent to stretch further. 3 sets 15 per each style am and pm . Build up to it slowly tho!

A little trampette to march on. Squats with a gym ball against your back and a wall. If done properly you will feel it in ankle and achilles.

Also cycling is better than running. Running is high impact on the joint.
I shattered my ankle joint and have grade 3 arthritis. I used to do marathon running so its killer to no longer be able to run. Riding - espes shirt stirrups hurts the joint. But i wear an ankle support (air sport) under my muck boots and then when i ride i put a heatpad on to keep joint warm. A big help to me is foot beds in my shoes. I have some from local nhs hispital - they should have an appliances department - you know the saying no foot no horse- you wouldnt believe the little aches and pains that disapearfrom your body when you have supportive soles! Apologies bad grammer. On phone!
 
Where you have circled red on your diagram is where I managed to detach my peroneal tendon - it felt like it was'popping out and was very unstable. I had surgery last year and intensive physio afterwards, in your case if you feel like your ankle is suddenly getting to a point and 'falling apart' I'd definitely go and see your gp and see if you can get a physio referral, it really will help.

There are little things that really helped me - even just standing on one leg, holding out your leg straight and rotating the ankle out so your foot is moving outwards, without moving your knee - its actually quite hard to do!

But it would probably be best to get it checked out and get some exercises especially for you!
 
OK. I'm an ankle strength specialist :D ! I have a genetic syndrome which means that I have no reflex in my achilles tendon and I spent my life until 2 years ago twisting one ankle or the other every few months so it went purple.

First, don't use a wobble board until you have tested whether you have contracted hamstrings - many riders do.

Lie on your back with one leg slightly bend. Put a belt around the ball your other foot and raise your leg dead straight pulling gently on the belt. How far can you get it - you should be able to get it at least verticle and at your age a bit further, or put the other leg flat on the floor at the same time?

If you can do that you might benefit from a wobble board. If you can't , stay clear, I used one on the advice of a consultant podiatrist who didn't check my hamstrings first and nearly bust an achilles tendon completely.

The exercises that work for me, which I do every single day, is that leg raising one. 3 times each side, hold for 30 seconds and change leg.

The second is to stand with straight legs and raise yourself up onto the balls of your feet. When you can do that easily, move to one foot only. When you can do that easily, move to a stair and do it on the stair and increase the amount that you drop your heel below the level of the stair before you stand on the ball of your foot. Keep your leg straight, don't use your knee.

I do that combined with the third one. With the balls of your feet on the stair, sink your weight down into your heels. I do that for 30 seconds, right foot raises 10 times, repeat the sinking 30 seconds, left foot raises 10 times, and lastly sink for another 10 seconds.

Since I started doing this, I have not fallen over or strained an ankle once.

I got my advice from a great physio. If you can afford even one session (mine was £45) I would recommend that you have one and see what they say.

As a matter of interest, are your pupils the same size :) ???
 
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I can't ride without my flexi stirrups or my ankles seize up.....I had a collation of the tarsal joint ( basically a bit of tissue sticking the joints together where they shouldn't be and the scar is just underneath the blue circle) removed a few years ago out of each ankle and it helped for a while but the pain came back do I now have joint injections every six ish months or so.
They help alot.

I also find i can't have too short stirrups.
 
In terms of boots, short boots and chaps allow a fair bit of moving about, would it help to get some fairly stiff long boots which will tend to hold your ankle more still (at least in terms of left to right movement?
 
I have had problems with my ankles all my (riding) life. I have joint hypermobility, and they are very very weak. I struggle to ride if I have had time off, as it is extremely painful and stiff. I cant really do jumping length very well, but I cant do long stirrups either as they make my tendons 'slip'.
Anyway, I find mine are better if I ride regularly, so make sure you try to keep up your ankle fitness.
Also flexi stirrups.
Physio didnt work for me
 
Thank you all so much for your replies.
I'm on my iPod so can't quote but CPT, my pupils are the same size according to OH and in terms of using flexi stirrups, I ride at a school so I don't have the option. Also, the only pair of long boots I have are muck boots so altho stiffer, I think I would boil in them after 5 mins...
I will have a proper good read of your replies after work today. I have a few questions but need to be able to quote so I'll turn my computer on later.
Thank you again!
 
I use a combination of Pilates and heel raises to strengthen my ankles.

I have tight calves and hamstrings. My physio recommended both things to me to strengthen the muscles.

I would definately go and see a physio, just to make sure there is not something else contribiting to your ankle pain. Good luck :)
 
Couldn't you buy your own pair of flexi stirrups and leathers keep them on a hole you know is right for you and just take them with you?

That's what I do if u go ride a friends horse as I I ow I will be in pain if I don't.
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