wearing a point 2 jacket for hunting - does anyone

[woodlandswow]

or shall i stick with my normal bp?
its just that last year i turned up with my normal bp and the hunt master turned his nosie up at me, my mum is insistent i wear it -and i feeel safer however i have seen in adverts that some people wear p2 to hunt. i have one but i would be worrried about fallling off then not having any protectiion for the rest of the day!! any experiences? thanks

 

[jsr]

At our hunt alot of the younger lot wear them (I would but can't afford one!!) even the hunt masters daughter wears one.

I've noticed this season the increase in BP's all round, and certainly NOT something our hunt members turn their noses up at. One chap turned up for the opening meet with a flat cap on and he soon got told to dismount and find a hat!!!

 

[Addicted to Hunting]

Wear one if you have it, remeber it should be worn over your bp as well. There are plenty off people in our hunt who wear a bp, and who also wear a bp and airjacket or just airjacket, and not just the kids. Are sure that the master did turn up his nose at you bp, most prefer you to be out and safe, alltho woud prefer it it wasn't a bright colour worn over your jacket. There is some pictures on one off the threads in here off one of our secretaries wearing his air jacket and bp

 

[Hunters]

Twenty years ago when I was a master, they could have been considered a 'No No' Personally I am not a fan of them and they are not a regular sight with the Heythrop. However, a lot of hunts have younger members so perhaps they are becoming more acceptable.

My opinion, is if you are below 25 years old - maybe ok - but over 25 years old, if you need to wear one - stick to your Riding Club.

 

[BigRed]

Hunters: what a dreadful post you have made. Why on earth is it considered bad form to protect yourself by wearing a BP ? Do you consider it bad form to wear a proper hat too ?

I truly hope you never have a bad accident out hunting.

 

[VoR]

I don't get this, I don't wear a BP hunting mainly because I'd be in it a long time and would find it uncomfortable (I think) but if someone, regardless of age, turns up in one I certainly wouldn't look down on them for it, they probably have more sense than me!

Really pomposity rules sometimes!

As for a P2, with a normal BP plus all the usual hunting attire you might get just a bit hot I would think, but if you can put up with it then wear it.......just remember to unhook if you have to jump off for a gate!!!

 

[3Beasties]

Hunters I have to say that is a rather unfair statement to make, even the very BEST riders fall of at times. It should not be frowned upon for people to want to protect themselves.

 

[cptrayes]

Twenty years ago when I was a master, they could have been considered a 'No No' Personally I am not a fan of them and they are not a regular sight with the Heythrop. However, a lot of hunts have younger members so perhaps they are becoming more acceptable.

My opinion, is if you are below 25 years old - maybe ok - but over 25 years old, if you need to wear one - stick to your Riding Club.

Sorry? I am over 50. I am not stupid enough to think that other people's ridiculous ideas of "good form" should affect my personal safety.


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ps I am guessing you still wear a Patey with no chin strap, which really speaks for itself !

 

[Addicted to Hunting]

Hunters I think that is a very unfair post!! Anybody can wear a bp regardless off age, I suppose you think everyone should be in a patey as well?? Yes tbh I think there is nothing smarter than a nice fitting jacket no bp and a patey, but I'm not going to judge anyone for choosing to be safe. If it makes you feel safer than wear them, have allready an injury and to keep riding you need to protect yourself as much as possible. Alot off bps can be worn under jackets and aren't even noticable, infact the other day I only relised that one off our older subsrcibers wears bp beacuse I happened to see them putting their jacket on. At the moment I'm wearing a t-shirt with in built shoulder protection under my jacket, it's barely noticable but due to having my collar bone operated on in August and it now having no end I feel this is rather sensiable, but however under your rules in feb when I'm 26 I suppose if I want to keep wearing them I'd better only stick to RC??? Sorry that this post is rather long and a bit off a rant but that really made me annoyed!!!!!

 

[Hunters]

Why is it, on here, people can't take the truth? yes I do wear a Patey, oh and quite often a top hat (shock)

My preference is that, just that.. I don't jump anything I do not think my mount will carry me safely over & no I rarely fall. I produce horses to the highest standard and am known as a 'nagsman'. We are a rare breed these days and with all the 'health and safety' no doubt we will become rarer to the extent that no one will be riding soon!

I think that those in back protectors aged over 25 look like numpties & that's my opinion (oh and many others) so like it or lump it!

 

[MissTyc]

At my hunt BPs are obligatory for under 21s and becoming more and more common for the over 21s as well. There are a few 2-point jackets out in the field as well - I have no issue with it AT ALL. I don't wear mine unless it's a big hedge day simply because I sweat up in a not good way, but have to admit lately I have been thinking I SHOULD wear it more. I have seen nasty no-fault accidents and I'm not of an age where I bounce and get back on any more! I am considering buying a slightly bigger jacket to wear it underneath, as a lot of ladies at my hunt are doing ... yes, this is my little vanity though god knows why I'd rather look fatter than BP'd!

 

[MissTyc]

Sorry? I am over 50. I am not stupid enough to think that other people's ridiculous ideas of "good form" should affect my personal safety.


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ps I am guessing you still wear a Patey with no chin strap, which really speaks for itself !

Brilliant photo and I would never jump a hedge of that size without body protection any more. My husband would never forgive me if something happened!

 

[Gucci_b]

Twenty years ago when I was a master, they could have been considered a 'No No' Personally I am not a fan of them and they are not a regular sight with the Heythrop. However, a lot of hunts have younger members so perhaps they are becoming more acceptable.

My opinion, is if you are below 25 years old - maybe ok - but over 25 years old, if you need to wear one - stick to your Riding Club.

what a load of crap " but over 25 years old, if you need to wear one - stick to your riding club"..... who's to say who fall's from their horse... a lady (whipper in) from a hunt I know has ended her days in a wheel chair, and a b.p would have helped, had she worn one... as long as the hunt gets there field money, does it really matter who wears a b.p. remind me not to hunt out with yr hunt.

 

[LizzieJ]

Be a bugger opening gates! I have never worn a bp hunting, I do however think it's sensible - I'm just not sensible

 

[cptrayes]

Why is it, on here, people can't take the truth? yes I do wear a Patey, oh and quite often a top hat (shock)

My preference is that, just that.. I don't jump anything I do not think my mount will carry me safely over & no I rarely fall. I produce horses to the highest standard and am known as a 'nagsman'. We are a rare breed these days and with all the 'health and safety' no doubt we will become rarer to the extent that no one will be riding soon!

I think that those in back protectors aged over 25 look like numpties & that's my opinion (oh and many others) so like it or lump it!

I don't care what you think about people who wear safety gear out hunting, so I'll lump it, ta I would strongly defend anyone's right to wear unsafe hats as a personal choice, but I do hope that I don't have to pay any of my taxes to repair your foolish head when your hat comes off because you think you look cool in a hat with no chinstrap.

 

[Tinkerbee]

I wouldn't. For one thing I wouldn't want the possibility of it spooking other horses if it went off. Also fair enough for eventing when if you fall off you have to retire, but what if you take a silly tumble, far too much faffing to get back on IMO.

Also not convinced by the science/safety aspect but that is a whole other thread.

 

[JenHunt]

My opinion, is if you are below 25 years old - maybe ok - but over 25 years old, if you need to wear one - stick to your Riding Club.

why? Are you any less likely to fall off after your 25th Birthday?

If Mary King (HSBC Classics Series Winner) can fall off doing what she has made a career of, why can't those of us who only do it for fun fall off? And why shouldn't the individual choose to protect themselves?!

 

[PortwayPaddy]

There have been plenty of Point 2 jackets and BPs out so far this season.

Our hunt dress code actually states that BPs are permitted as long as they are unobtrusive i.e not in XC colours.

What is wrong with wanting to protect oneself out hunting in the same manner as any other equestrian activity. As long as the rest of the dress code is followed.

BD has allowed BPs for ages and have now brought in the requirement for hats to have harnesses fitted when competing below Advanced.

I came a cropper at the weekend, with a BP and I'm still black and blue on parts that where covered by the BP.

Incidently, I have seen more skull caps and hats with harnesses so far this season than ever before and that is on adults not minors.

I reckon Ebay will be awash with Beaglers and Patey hats.

Paddy

 

[Bernster]

Agree with eveyone on here who says it's entirely up to the rider whether to wear a BP and I don't think you should give a monkey's what other people think about you. Better safe than sorry and all that.

I wear a BP for jumping days. I had a nasty fall the other day due to the horse stumbling on landing which can happen to anyone.

A couple of people on our hunt have started wearing the P2 although they need to be worn with BPs and are a one shot jacket (assuming you don't take a spare cannister!!) so bulky and hot, unless you get the new type which has an in-built BP.

 

[cptrayes]

Air jackets do not "need" to be worn with a body protector. They will only provide the fullest possible protection if they ARE worn with a body protector, but from my experience they will still protect your neck, back and ribs without a standard body protector. I could not hunt for hours in a close fitting body protector, it would be too uncomfortable. I wear a P2 without one. The standard body protector is necessary if the P2 does not go off (ie if your horse falls and you stay with it), but in a high speed hunting fall that's pretty unlikely. BE rules may require both to be worn but that does not mean that the air jacket is of no use on its own.

 

[Suziq77]

Our hunt secretary puts it perfectly when people ask - she says "many people choose not to wear them but if you feel safer wearing one then that will be fine and everyone will respect your choice".


ps - in my experience no one that is a genuine old fashioned "nagsman" would EVER tell other people that's how they think of themselves!

 

[Hunters]

I thought the point of these forums was to express an opinion... Didn't take long for someone to get personal...

Why do you come one here if you can't take other people's opinions?

Wear what you like out hunting, doesn't bother me what you wear. I just think that all those that wear all the protective gear look like they should still be in the riding school. But that's my opinion and I suspect I don't stand alone.

 

[Addicted to Hunting]

Hunters I would say that you were fairly personal by saying that anyone who wears one who is over 25 looks like a numpty, and should still be in the riding school or stick to RC.
Agree that we all have our own opnion, I've allready stated whatvi think looks smarter, but if people off ANY age choose to be safe than good on them.
Any also why choose 25 as the age, I know alot of people who you wouldn't know if under/over 25. I'm sure there was a post a while ago on here about how when Pateys etc first came out they weren't considered correct, how things change.

 

[Bernster]

Air jackets do not "need" to be worn with a body protector. They will only provide the fullest possible protection if they ARE worn with a body protector, but from my experience they will still protect your neck, back and ribs without a standard body protector. I could not hunt for hours in a close fitting body protector, it would be too uncomfortable. I wear a P2 without one. The standard body protector is necessary if the P2 does not go off (ie if your horse falls and you stay with it), but in a high speed hunting fall that's pretty unlikely. BE rules may require both to be worn but that does not mean that the air jacket is of no use on its own.

Oop, I stand corrected Silly as I did know that but was getting meself confused with BE standards and hunting (tut tut). Certainly wasn't doing down the P2 - have a friend who swears by hers and wears without a separate BP.

 

[meandmyself]

or shall i stick with my normal bp?
its just that last year i turned up with my normal bp and the hunt master turned his nosie up at me, my mum is insistent i wear it -and i feeel safer however i have seen in adverts that some people wear p2 to hunt. i have one but i would be worrried about fallling off then not having any protectiion for the rest of the day!! any experiences? thanks

They should be worn over a normal body protector. I personally feel that they're a bit of a gimick, and really aren't that well researched. I don't think I'd wear one out hunting- what happens if you need to dismount and forget to unhook it?

Twenty years ago when I was a master, they could have been considered a 'No No' Personally I am not a fan of them and they are not a regular sight with the Heythrop. However, a lot of hunts have younger members so perhaps they are becoming more acceptable.

My opinion, is if you are below 25 years old - maybe ok - but over 25 years old, if you need to wear one - stick to your Riding Club.

Really idiotic thing to say. There's nothing wrong with being safe. I'd rather wear a body protector than be laid up due to a preventable injury!

Why is it, on here, people can't take the truth? yes I do wear a Patey, oh and quite often a top hat (shock)

My preference is that, just that.. I don't jump anything I do not think my mount will carry me safely over & no I rarely fall. I produce horses to the highest standard and am known as a 'nagsman'. We are a rare breed these days and with all the 'health and safety' no doubt we will become rarer to the extent that no one will be riding soon!

I think that those in back protectors aged over 25 look like numpties & that's my opinion (oh and many others) so like it or lump it!

A close friend of mine is a very good rider/horsewoman. Her horse dropped dead over a jump and almost landed on her. She walked away without a scratch because she was wearing protective equipment.

Bet you're the type who doesn't wear a seatbelt in the car, either. I think it's incredibly selfish not to wear safety equipment when taking part in a high risk activity. Someone has to scrape you up off the floor. Someone has to take care of you after you're put back together. It's not just about you- it's about your family, friends and the people around you too.

 

[Flowers187]

I wear one (when I remember it), not on a hot day though, but seeing as its usually cold in the hunting season I dont get too hot and I even find it keeps me snug when its freezing! I have a racesafe one, and I can hardly tell im wearing in, cant stand any other body protector than these, it fits to me perfectly and is shaped to my body, and it looks smart! I could see how you would be fround upon if wearing a big bulky pink bp!

 

[MilosDad]

Yes I wear a Point Two while hunting. Its better after opening meet as it is less obvious against a black jacket but better a safe numpty than a broken fashion icon.
I am too expensive a commodity to risk sustaining avoidable damage (I'm prepared to accept the unpredictable risks) and whilst Hunters is entitled to his view I place a rather higher value on my wellbeing than he seems to.
Its better to look stupid than be stupid

 

[MilosDad]

As an addendum I support Hunter in expressing his opinion and whilst at complete variance with my own (professional as a trauma specialist who events hunts and covers 2 of our biggest 4* events as a medic) he is still as entitled to express it as anyone

 

[cptrayes]

They should be worn over a normal body protector.

I'm fed up with people saying this on every thread where an air jacket is mentioned.

When they were first marketed they were full waistcoats which were NOT worn over a normal body protector. It was the BE ruling that made it "normal" to wear them with a standard BP, which only happened once they realised that eventing was their easiest market to sell into, given the price.

There is no doubt that the best possible protection is if they are worn with a normal one but that DOES NOT mean that they are not highly protective in their own right. For me, for hunting and normal riding, the additional protection offered by wearing a bulky, constrictive and HOT body protector is not worth the discomfort.

What happens if you need to dismount and forget to unhook it?

I have done this three times so far, from a 17 hand horse. I am 5ft 8. The bag did not go off, and is meant not to go off, as long as you are VERY close to the horse and tall enough. Luckily for me he did not move away. The whole field is waiting for the day I make the same mistake and don't get away with it, and the answer of course is that you give everyone a GREAT laugh and cost yourself £17.50!

 

[cptrayes]

I thought the point of these forums was to express an opinion... Didn't take long for someone to get personal...

Why do you come one here if you can't take other people's opinions?

Wear what you like out hunting, doesn't bother me what you wear. I just think that all those that wear all the protective gear look like they should still be in the riding school. But that's my opinion and I suspect I don't stand alone.

The thing is Hunters. I agree with you. I think I look like a complete dork in my P2 and my bulky crash hat with three point chinstrap and a stretchy velvet cover. I would look, being the height and width I am, classy and elegant in a Patey and a £500 tailor made jacket and I would love to look that way. But I wouldn't love to look that way so much that I am prepared to take unnecessary risks with my future health and possibly my life. That's my opinion and I know I don't stand alone.

We can all take your opinion. No-one has told you that you should not have given your opinion. All we have done is give OUR opinions that your opinion is a bit daft.

Why do you come one here if you can't take other people's opinions?