weeing and pooing in the crate

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Does anyone have any suggestions on how to stop this, the crate isn't overly big, dog can sleep and turn round but no spare space IYSWIM, this is a new thing, dog is always taken out to toilet before going into his crate so in theory shouldn't need to go
 
How long is it before he wets and messes as if it's more than a couple of hours then perhaps you're leaving him in too long? How old is the dog as a young dog needs more letting out at regular intervals even through the night to be totally fair to it.
Crate also sounds far too small for total internment for me, it must be claustrophobic for him being so small and not being able to get out, it could even be a panic thing because of that.
 
In fairness that is hard to say without seeing it, mine is a similar size but my dog stays dry overnight?
(can sit, stand, lie down, turn around, room for bowl)
It *may* be a stress thing, yes.
How long is he in it for without a break, TD? Does he have constant access to food? What's the time lapse between eating/drinking and crating?
 
The crate isn't too small there is plenty room for a bowl and toy without the bowl getting spilt
He is only in it an hour and a half tops (while I go to the yard) or 20 mins or so while I nip to the shop
He gets a Kong while he is in but not constant food
 
Have you tried freezing the Kong? So it is harder work for him? I keep two stacked up in the freezer. Or maybe a proper big bone?
I would also restrict water while he is in there and if you know you will have to go out later.
 
Could anything have happened to make the dog scared of the crate or being left? The only time one of my dogs used to soil his crate (poo) regardless of how long he was left was when he was suffering from separation anxiety and used to get really worked up and upset.
 
Also, if he is only in it when you go out, then he will get stressed and associate it with isolation, I am presuming you have him in it while you are having dinner, just watching telly, down time, when you'd prefer it if he didn't drink your tea from your mug while you are trying to work :p etc?
 
I know it's horses for courses Amymay but TBH I have a very high-energy nine month old who always has to have SOMETHING in his mouth and be up to some sort of devilment :p and I could not manage without a crate.
Is it a plastic 'enclosed' one or an open wire one?
With more insecure dogs a closed one is actually better IMO, although they can be pricier. You can throw a sheet over the wire one as a cheaper alternative :p
 
CaveCanem said:
I know it's horses for courses Amymay but TBH I have a very high-energy nine month old who always has to have SOMETHING in his mouth and be up to some sort of devilment :p and I could not manage without a crate.
Is it a plastic 'enclosed' one or an open wire one?
With more insecure dogs a closed one is actually better IMO, although they can be pricier. You can throw a sheet over the wire one as a cheaper alternative :p
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Don't disagree with you, or crating. Was just wondering if it was really necessary in this instance - which it sounds as if it is..... ;):D
 
Er, we've got three, one permanent, and have never applied for planning permission? :o And we have had planners/Land and Property Services on the property quite a few times, although it may be different in your area.
There are companies who do flat pack panels and roofs and they can be assembled in minutes :)
 
Can't add to the advice re soiling the crate, but I have 3 outside runs, each approx 12' sq with roofs on. Had plenty of planning bods round when having extension built to cottage but none commented on the kennels. I think it si only if you have a range of commercial kennels that planning permission would come in.
 
What differs to when you leave ad he passes motion and when you leave and he settles? Are the other dogs around him?
When you work and he is crated (I take this is from home) can he see you? does he settle at night in there ok?
It is a stress thing, not a dirty thing as suggested.
If you have not got a DAP diffuser, it may be worth you getting one to plug in beside the crate.
Where is the crate positioned?
 
The only difference is that I am not in the house,
During the day he is downstairs, his crate is in the area under the stairs in the living room, I'm mostly upstairs but wander about quite a bit so I'm not totally out of sight all the time
he isn't crated at night because he wont settle without the tv/radio, but will sleep happily upstairs with us, clean quiet and non destructive, he is only unclean and destructive when left
 
So, it is a case that he knows you are gone?
Does he see you go? In general the more he sees you come and go when in the crate the easier they settle as they cannot determine whether you are there or not.
Do you close any door or do anything that gives the game away that you have left?
As this seems to be a bad case, if you cannot kennel him outdoors, then a 2nd crate in your room may be the way to go, so that he is with you on a night but in his crate and again it is covered with a thick blanket, so its a positive associator that he is still in the crate but you are present and he spends more time in there (for now) which is important for dog that suffer with moderate SA.

I would also use a DAP as mentioned and maybe set up a camera to see how long it takes for him to become unsettled? or if anything could be disturbing him?

When you are upstairs working, I take it, he is locked in crate, with radio on and cover over?
 
he doesnt see me go (that im aware of) but he always seems to know, im guessing its the creaky floors stop creaking
he is locked in the crate with the cover on while i work, with radio on, and a toy/kong
unfortunately due to our stupidly big superking bed (its for sale to make room for a normal size bed) there isnt space for a crate in our room, there isnt room for much else but the bed, he sleeps on the top of the stairs
i will ask about getting a dap at dog training,
 
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