Week 14 of barefoot

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I’m not baling, I’m not baling *repeats*

Week 14 of shod to barefoot. I don’t know if the toes are becoming too long and the heels are running forward.

He’s fine on grass, fine on smooth tarmac(maybe not as fast as on grass though) but we’ve recently had part of the route to the field covered in very small stones to fill in potholes. It’s actually very nice to drive a car on but not so great for barefoot horse. The youngster stomps through it as he knows nothing else but my other guy is really almost reluctant to walk on it. There is a grass verge he walks on but needs to cross a bit of stoney part to get to it. You would honestly think he’s actively laminitic the way he crosses it. Which in turn raises all sorts of questions and I feel awful. Then he strides out and I don’t know what to think anymore. He’ll also walk and trot out with hoof boots on tarmac, will trot and canter in the field.

I think visually there’s improvement since the shoes came off. He now has more of a shape and white line on the inside. It’s still not as tight as it could be though but I think this is the result of his rotation 5 years ago(which was fixed to 0• and 1•) . He has managed to make the heels touch the ground. Heel hairline is horizontal as opposed to being curved when he had shoes on. He is medial laterally challenged, doesn’t seem to grow as much on the inside which then results in flare in the outside. Conformation-wise his front end has changed, he was always very narrow in front, he has now widened quite substantially, there’s at least 1 hand’s width between his front legs at his chest as opposed to 1 or 2 fingers width before.

Should I go down the RH stronghorn route? I suppose we’ve also gone from wildly wet sodden pond like fields to now drying up firmer ground too.

What do corns present like? i’ve had a google but they seem to be quite clearly coloured like a bruise. My guy has a raised part of the sole just at the bar and heels.

Sorry, I suppose just a bit of a get off my chest post. Any advice greatly received x
 

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No advice (other people who know things will be far more helpful) but it sounds like it's on the right track. Changing from shod to barefoot is a bitch of a process. I did it with the hindfeet of my old mare. Had she been younger and had I more balls and knowledge, I would have tried the fronts. I had the added challenge of a farrier who was useless as a bent nail at barefoot trims, making life harder. It was when the horse was on livery in S. Lanarks. But I know for sure that this is not an issue for you. He's quite good! ;) It took ages for my horse to develop the foot for walking over wee stones and not looking awful. I got so much shight from my yard owner but stubbornly stuck with it. What really kept me going through all the BS was how much better she felt when we did dressage. She was so much more powerful behind. So much more forward and impulsive. That gave me the strength to say *f-- you, this is the right thing" to my (then) yard owner and farrier.

I have a couple friends at my yard who have tried the transition and failed, bailing back to shoes. They didn't want to monkey around with fitting hoof boots or fannying around with supplementation and could not cope with how footy the horses got over rocks. Arguably driven by some advice that does not fit in with my vague understanding of it all, like being told, "His soles are too thin to be a barefoot horse." Well, they surely will be if he's been wearing shoes most of his life?
 

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What do corns present like? i’ve had a google but they seem to be quite clearly coloured like a bruise. My guy has a raised part of the sole just at the bar and heels.


Can you put up a picture again? My recollection is that your guy has some laid over bars and he might need them pared off. This happens when the bars have grown too long in the past and have folded over flat to the sole.
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My lifelong barefoot mare still minces over the stony part of our bridlepath (it's a gravel type mix). She stomps down the tarmac fine so I think she just doesn't like the sensation of the small stones.

My farrier says she has the toughest hooves on his books but she's entitled to her opinion and she just doesn't like small stones. Yours sounds the same and I have to confess I ignore the mincing over them if she's fine everywhere else.
 

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We are coming out of one of the wettest periods I can remember, and hooves are soft. The frog is very sensitive, and I suspect your lad will improve as his frog starts to callus over and firm up. Keep on with the hoof boots, as this will help him to land naturally and build up his heel. Congratulations on better chest muscle!
 

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Can you put up a picture again? My recollection is that your guy has some laid over bars and he might need them pared off. This happens when the bars have grown too long in the past and have folded over flat to the sole.
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Thanks, I will clean up and get some photos tonight, the other ones are pretty dirty. I think you may be right, I've looked in to laid over bars and it seems he does have them. Looking at other photos previous to a trim, it looks like the farrier is trimming them correctly. He is due a trim this week.
 

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Im the exact same as you, this is month 6 of barefoot. The wetter months were a nightmare but now his feet are sooo much better. The stones are a bit of a nightmare though. Luckily there aren’t too many once off the estate.
Ive been using scoots for round the estate and hes been brilliant with them.
I also bought keratex hoof gel to give a try. It just arrived Saturday so will put it on later.
I think if you persist another month you will see a huge difference ☺️
Orbi has just about grown a whole new hoof on both fronts since I got him. Next trim the line will be gone. I think thats pretty good going ☺️
 

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No advice (other people who know things will be far more helpful) but it sounds like it's on the right track. Changing from shod to barefoot is a bitch of a process. I did it with the hindfeet of my old mare. Had she been younger and had I more balls and knowledge, I would have tried the fronts. I had the added challenge of a farrier who was useless as a bent nail at barefoot trims, making life harder. It was when the horse was on livery in S. Lanarks. But I know for sure that this is not an issue for you. He's quite good! ;) It took ages for my horse to develop the foot for walking over wee stones and not looking awful. I got so much shight from my yard owner but stubbornly stuck with it. What really kept me going through all the BS was how much better she felt when we did dressage. She was so much more powerful behind. So much more forward and impulsive. That gave me the strength to say *f-- you, this is the right thing" to my (then) yard owner and farrier.

I have a couple friends at my yard who have tried the transition and failed, bailing back to shoes. They didn't want to monkey around with fitting hoof boots or fannying around with supplementation and could not cope with how footy the horses got over rocks. Arguably driven by some advice that does not fit in with my vague understanding of it all, like being told, "His soles are too thin to be a barefoot horse." Well, they surely will be if he's been wearing shoes most of his life?
Thanks, we done hind feet a few years ago and he was great, hardly any difference. I don't think I'll go back to shoes, he's 22 this year so quietening down a bit ridden-wise, the shoes also seemed to be jamming up his heels a bit. I just feel awful at the moment as he is ouching over the stones and I suppose in the back of my mind I'm worrying it's laminitis again. Even though he's absolutely fine outwith and no other signs!
 

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Hopefully these upload from phone. He’s due a trim this week, think this is 6/7 weeks since last one.
 

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Hmmm, personally I would carry on treating for thrush, and get him moving in boots with frog pads. At the moment the wear pattern suggests he isn't loading his heels as he should. Have a chat with your trimmer and just mention that you are a bit concerned that a trim may take the prominent frogs too close to the ground, and equally concerned that taking a chunk off the frog will undo the progress so far, It's a tricky balancing act, and the back third of the foot is the bit that takes all the force when the horse moves. On the plus side, his heels are starting to widen out, which is good. Keep going. Pray for dry weather!
 

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I hate to worry you but this crescent here is the edge of the pedal bone inside the foot, unless he has a very, very coincidental bruise from treading on a stone. That's probably coming out from inside as is often found with laminitis. If it's not that then it's a sign that his soles/feet are too weak for what they are doing.

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I hate to worry you but this crescent here is the edge of the pedal bone inside the foot, unless he has a very, very coincidental bruise from treading on a stone. That's probably coming out from inside as is often found with laminitis. If it's not that then it's a sign that his soles/feet are too weak for what they are doing.

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Interesting. It is in line with the pedal bone :( He hasn't shown any signs of laminitis. All his x rays since have shown that he has very good sole depth. That is the right fore which was the worst affected, did have 13 degree rotation but fixed back to 0/1 degree.

Maybe worth getting some new xrays.
 

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How is the foot landing when moving? He should be taking a stride, slightly flicking the foot forward and slamming the foot down on the ground - the advert for Lloyds Bank with the black horse galloping in slow motion is a good visual! Any suggestion that he his not weighting his heels, or landing toe first would warrant further investigation.
 

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How is the foot landing when moving? He should be taking a stride, slightly flicking the foot forward and slamming the foot down on the ground - the advert for Lloyds Bank with the black horse galloping in slow motion is a good visual! Any suggestion that he his not weighting his heels, or landing toe first would warrant further investigation.
I'll Pm you a video. Hopefully it'll let me do that...
 

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Just an update here.

Farrier came out to trim and used hoof testers, no reaction thankfully. He did say he’s seen lots of bruising recently as we’ve gone from being on sodden ground to hardening up.

I reduced his time on grass too, I hoped he would manage being muzzled overnight turnout with the youngster but it was just too much for him, I suppose deep down I knew that. So back to daytime turnout with muzzle. It’s 2 weeks later and there’s a definite change for the better. Whether or not he’s just hardening up his soles I don’t know but he’s much more happier even walking around the yard. Our Flex boots arrived (££!) and they are absolutely fantastic! He marched out so much that he was keen to trot. Managed to do some trot bursts then went for a canter. Very happy.
 
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