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I really struggle to believe that guy weighs 27 stone!!!! Even if he's very tall and very broad, 27 stone is verging on bed ridden walrus stage! Look at his legs-muscle not rolls of blubber.

Horse is relatively short coupled and looks to have a well muscled back.

I would have guessed he was more like 18 stone and I would have zero issue with him on that horse.
 
Prince33Sp4rkle said:
I really struggle to believe that guy weighs 27 stone!!!! Even if he's very tall and very broad, 27 stone is verging on bed ridden walrus stage! Look at his legs-muscle not rolls of blubber.

Horse is relatively short coupled and looks to have a well muscled back.

I would have guessed he was more like 18 stone and I would have zero issue with him on that horse.
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This, completely.
 
Prince33Sp4rkle said:
I really struggle to believe that guy weighs 27 stone!!!! Even if he's very tall and very broad, 27 stone is verging on bed ridden walrus stage! Look at his legs-muscle not rolls of blubber.

Horse is relatively short coupled and looks to have a well muscled back.

I would have guessed he was more like 18 stone and I would have zero issue with him on that horse.
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cattysmith said:
This, completely.
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I wouldn't have a problem accepting that the guy was well over 20 stone. Knowing his height I would have said he was probably more like 23/24 stone by eye. As I said my dad, who has very little fat on him and is an ex England Rugby player, actually weighs 22-23 stone as a matter of course and you would NEVER ever put him at that weight.

At 15 and a half stone now people never (and I tell them to be brutal) ever guess anywhere near my weight. They usually say about 13 stone. At nearly 19 stone my doctor took a guess at my weight and said 16!

I wouldn't put over 300 pounds on any horse. End of.
 
Billie1007 said:
I wouldn't have a problem accepting that the guy was well over 20 stone. Knowing his height I would have said he was probably more like 23/24 stone by eye. As I said my dad, who has very little fat on him and is an ex England Rugby player, actually weighs 22-23 stone as a matter of course and you would NEVER ever put him at that weight.

At 15 and a half stone now people never (and I tell them to be brutal) ever guess anywhere near my weight. They usually say about 13 stone. At nearly 19 stone my doctor took a guess at my weight and said 16!

I wouldn't put over 300 pounds on any horse. End of.
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It is very true that looks can be deceiving, and I wouldn't struggle to believe this guy is over 20st. I'm 5'7'', 11 stone and a size 10, and I certainly don't look remotely fat. When I was 18 I simply wasn't eating enough to sustain my very active lifestyle at the time and I dropped down the 8 stone 6 and I looked anorexic - my hip bones, rib cage and clavicle stuck out a mile and my face and arms looked severely wasted - no body would have guessed I was over 8 and a half stone.

300lbs is a big ask of any horse.
 
Prince33Sp4rkle said:
I really struggle to believe that guy weighs 27 stone!!!! Even if he's very tall and very broad, 27 stone is verging on bed ridden walrus stage! Look at his legs-muscle not rolls of blubber.
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Muscle weighs considerabley more than fat so it is easily possible at that height and build he weighs that. Knowing his height I would probably have guessed around 24-25 stone.

Agree without seeing the horse moving and a comparison with an without rider it is hard to give a fair assessment of the pairing but my initial thoughts would be he is far too heavy, and it is not fair to ask any horse to carry that amount of weight.

360 pounds is equal to 160kg. Thats a lot of weight to ask any horse to carry, and certainly can't be good for long term health.
 
Prince33Sp4rkle said:
27 stone is verging on bed ridden walrus stage.
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Sorry, I had to come back to this. For a woman of 5 foot, 27 stone really would be bordering on 'bed ridden walrus' stage, but for a guy who is 6.5 or more it really means - big frame, solid, long limbed. More importantly, people can be very active at that weight! It's all relative!
 
I do not care what weight an individual is, however I DO care what weight is placed on a horse. I do get fed up of threads which are obviously intended to justify heavy people riding horses :( Many sports exclude people on the grounds of physical characteristics, think tall basket ball players and small gymnasts. I see no reason why people assume that they should be able to ride a horse when they are too heavy.
 
I also find it hard to believe he is 27 stone. My OH is 6'4 and weighs about 17 and a half stone, he certainly isn't slim but he is fairly stacked. He has a 7 ft friend who is a similar build to the guy in the photo and he is only 20 stone. I also think the guy in the photo looks quite balanced.
And finally I agree with those who mentioned why BB is doing this? It seems like an obsession for you BB.
 
Do you know what I find really interesting.... I won't run at the minute because I have a bad back/dodgy knee, due to an accident, and running doesn't go down too well. I wonder if anyone over 300 pounds would be willing to put the strain on their own joints by going for a jog? My guess is 'no', but they want to get on a horse? Go figure!
 
Billie1007 said:
Sorry, I had to come back to this. For a woman of 5 foot, 27 stone really would be bordering on 'bed ridden walrus' stage, but for a guy who is 6.5 or more it really means - big frame, solid, long limbed. More importantly, people can be very active at that weight! It's all relative!
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Massively disagree, sorry.

I know someone who plays rugby for South Africa, he's 6ft6 and weighs around 16st.

There are NO joints in the world designed to be active at 27st.
 
Just worked out his BMI is the same as mine :) (38ish)

I feel fine on my short coupled Clydesdale mare and I am hyper critical about what I ride and wouldn't ride anything I felt remotely struggled with me.

Big Ben, a lot of your posts seem to have an undercurrent of trying to find justification for you to ride, if you are going to ride then just get on with it, its like self masochism posting on here trying to get other people to 'give you permission'.

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PS how much would you say that this guy weighs ^^?

And this guy below?

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nikkimariet said:
Massively disagree, sorry.

I know someone who plays rugby for South Africa, he's 6ft6 and weighs around 16st.

There are NO joints in the world designed to be active at 27st.
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Ok, but I know that simply isn't true. I have a 6.8 friend who weighs a smidge over 25 stone, he swims everyday, goes to the gym and cycles to work in London each day....
 
Ditto Billie, one of my best friends is 6'4" and 23/24 stone, he's overweight and not as fit as he could be by any means, but he's still just cycled from Lands end to John O'Groats for charity and goes off mountain climbing at weekends (proper mountains in the Highlands)

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PS how much would you say that this guy weighs ^^?

And this guy below?

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Billie1007 said:
Ok, but I know that simply isn't true. I have a 6.8 friend who weighs a smidge over 25 stone, he swims everyday, goes to the gym and cycles to work in London each day....
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Sorry, stand by original statement re: 27st. People are not meant to weigh that much! Otherwise it wouldn't be a health concern.

2st difference between 25st and 27st. That's a big diff.

I would not put the guy in the OP at a greater weight than the rugby player pictured here, he's not as muscular or broad through his shoulders. Tuilagi weighs under 18st and he's massive.

Please post a picture of a toned, healthy and active 27st person.
 
The rugby player Fosi Pala'amo weighs 145kg at just 6'1''. He looks big, but he is obviously very fit and healthy. He has a BMI of 42!! A guy who was 6'11 and weighed 25 stone would have a BMI of 35.

Obviously neither of these people are obese, but they ARE heavy and they ARE fit and healthy. You have to remember that it is not a linear relationship between volume (and weight) and height - as someone gets taller volume increases by a much larger factor even if they have the same proportions as someone much smaller (ie someone 3 foot tall will weigh much less than half that of someone of identical build, but 6 foot tall - unrealistic example I know). It can therefore be really surprising how heavy someone approaching 7 foot will really be.
 
nikkimariet said:
Sorry, stand by original statement re: 27st. People are not meant to weigh that much! Otherwise it wouldn't be a health concern.

2st difference between 25st and 27st. That's a big diff.

I would not put the guy in the OP at a greater weight than the rugby player pictured here, he's not as muscular or broad through his shoulders. Tuilagi weighs under 18st and he's massive.

Please post a picture of a toned, healthy and active 27st person.
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The guy in MY first picture above weighs 24 stone there. Ex England Rugby captain. According to his club stats the second player weighs 21 stone at last recorded weight. I can't find a pic of 27 stone to be fair and I certainly never suggested that I could find one who was fit, healthy and toned. I didn't ever mention that, I mentioned active :)

First pic proves that the eye is very deceptive, that guy has the broadest shoulders I have ever seen in real life :)
 
Billie1007 said:
The guy in MY first picture above weighs 24 stone there. Ex England Rugby captain. According to his club stats the second player weighs 21 stone at last recorded weight. I can't find a pic of 27 stone to be fair and I certainly never suggested that I could find one who was fit, healthy and toned. I didn't ever mention that, I mentioned active :)

First pic proves that the eye is very deceptive, that guy has the broadest shoulders I have ever seen in real life :)
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Yes.... So how could the guy in the OP weigh 27st???

Active suggests healthy.

I could say my Grandad is active. Chyeah, with the help of a scooter.
 
It tends to be blooming obvious to anyone watching a horse and rider if the rider is too heavy to be on board. Normally you see the horse brace and even sag as the rider climbs on board. I don't quite understand why some riders want to test the boundaries as it were, if you think you might be a bit too heavy for the horse, then surely don't ride it?
Big Ben, I agree with the above, I think you've got a bit of a "thing" about this. I know that in the States many people seem OK with putting much more weight on a horse than we tend to over here. That's something for them to decide on I guess. I know you're on a heroic weight-loss mission, and wish you all the best with that. I'm sure you'll find riding somewhat easier when you start to get towards your target, regardless of what the horse thinks about it. :-)
 
nikkimariet said:
Yes.... So how could the guy in the OP weigh 27st???

Active suggests healthy.

I could say my Grandad is active. Chyeah, with the help of a scooter.
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Physically active means...physically active ie. NOT bed bound walrus :)

If my first pic is 24 stone at 6ft4 and the guy in the OP is supposedly 6ft11 then of course he could realistically be 27 stone!
 
I've skimmed through this thread, and I'm amazed really.

I couldn't give a stuff what a photo of person-x looks like on horse-y. Just because they're on a bigger, chunky horse and therefore look a bit more in proportion... you've still sat 27 (or whatever it is!) stone on a horses back. Balanced rider or otherwise, that's a bloody lot of weight, and is completely unacceptable!
 
For anyone still asking why I posted, well as I said right there in the OP, this is not about justification, far more interested in perceptions.

This fat rider is currently not riding, I wont know until I'm physically well enough to try IF I will want to ride again, and don't worry I know I will have to be fitter and lighter.
 
Also, people's bones weigh less or more according to their race. The guy in the OP is Afro/Caribbean (by the look of it), and they often have much denser bones than Caucasian or Asian, so can weigh more that they appear to.
 
Big Ben said:
For anyone still asking why I posted, well as I said right there in the OP, this is not about justification, far more interested in perceptions.

This fat rider is currently not riding, I wont know until I'm physically well enough to try IF I will want to ride again, and don't worry I know I will have to be fitter and lighter.
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This was a riding accident though so you were riding? How is the weight loss going BB? Or how was it going as I can see why it wouldn't now be your primary concern because you need to focus on getting fixed! I have hit a plateau which is good because I'm learning a thing or two about maintainence but I really need to push forward and get the next stone gone, currently at a loss of 36 pounds. I could have lost three times that amount in the time I have been going, but one thing I will not be doing this time is giving up! No matter how long it takes! Hope you're not in too much pain?
 
Billie1007 said:
This was a riding accident though so you were riding? How is the weight loss going BB? Or how was it going as I can see why it wouldn't now be your primary concern because you need to focus on getting fixed! I have hit a plateau which is good because I'm learning a thing or two about maintainence but I really need to push forward and get the next stone gone, currently at a loss of 36 pounds. I could have lost three times that amount in the time I have been going, but one thing I will not be doing this time is giving up! No matter how long it takes! Hope you're not in too much pain?
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36 pounds is a fantastic weight loss, whether or not you did it within the timeframe you set yourself. Well done Billie! :)
 
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