weight ........ how much wouldyou allow a 15.1 thoughbred to carry

He's a ex-flat racing TB...but I agree he has a bit of bone in comparison to some, but I'd still say he was fairly fine.
I think a lot of the time people over-estimate how much 13 stone actually is.
 
I used to teach, and had to assess who could ride what on a daily basis. I agree absolutely that some people have no idea what 13 stone can look like - especially on someone who is muscled, rather than blubbery. It also depends on how the person is made up, if that makes sense - a 5'8'' muscled bloke rides a heck of a lot differently to a 5'1'' rotund lady. It also very much depends on how they ride, some people ride much lighter than others. And also, what they would be doing - if they were out hunting twice a week, competing or something, that would be different to a lesson twice a week. If I were putting together an ad, I wouldn't make any stipulation as to weight initially, I would see who they were and how they rode, but in my mind would be thinking no more than 12-13 stone. In addition, if you put an upper weight limit, you may put off those who are, say 8 stone, as they might read it as a horse that needs a heavier rider?
 
I think that bigger women seem to ride smaller horses where as perhaps you wouldn't have a bigger bloke? I don't know any 13 stone men that ride small horses but there seem to be plenty of women.

If you are loaning your horse out then I'd say about 11 stone. you might as well have someone small than someone heavy.

My dad is 11 1/2 stone and his horse is a 15.3 light tb, I don't think he'd feel comfortable doing much more than happy hacking though.
 
Im best part of 10st, add on my lovely heavy leather saddle and stirrups and chuck me on board my mare i must be nearing 12st... shes a 14.2hh dainty 9/16th tb and i may look a little tall on her at 5ft8+, but theres certainly no hint in her struggling with my heffalump of a weight as shes galloping around the field with me on board ... the mare can barely feel me by the way she acts under saddle!

Im about average in weight for my height, slightly more than id like to be but my horse carries me just fine. If depends entirely on the horse itself. Gem has had a 14st odd person sat on her back before and again, the mare did just what she did with me back then ... buck and canter off with every poor sod who got on her back and no shes not in pain, shes just an exciteable and happy (in a mad sense!!!) horse!
 
montyandzoom, you look absolutely fine on your girl
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Instead, join my campaign to encourage pygmy riders to buy 17hh warmbloods, so I can watch them get p1ssed off with right, left, and centre whilst sawing furiously to get their beast into an 'outline' flapping their little legs halfway down the saddle flaps for encouragement.
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Umm...that's me then!
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5ft4, size 8 and have a 17.1hh IDx.... what am I doing?!
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No doubt many people here will think I am too big for my dainty 15.2 SF x Arab then
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I am 13 stone or thereabouts.....is this 'hilarious'?If it is, then I have problems, obviously....


To the OP - I wouldnt put a weight limit on the horse (supposing that you are unlikely to get any 19 stone people coming to try the 15.1 TB
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); instead I would leave it open, and judge for yourselves when you see the rider. You may get an 8 stone experienced rider come out, but who rides 'heavy'and doesnt compliment your horse's way of going....on the other hand, you may get someone of 12 stone come out and ride 'light' and suit him perfectly
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I guess I have problems too...

I have 2 15.2 TBs, one that is quite fine - wears pony size brushing boots - and one that is very slightly chunkier. Both are ridden by me, 5'5" and 12 stone, and my OH who is over 6 foot and somewhere between 13 and 14 stone. Ooops.... Neither have any problems resulting from carrying us - nor are they likely too.

We have recently bought a bigger (16.1) chunkier TB for OH but more because of his height, not his weight....
 
I have a 15.3 light weight tb who point to pointed with 12 stone on it's back and hunted all day with slightly more than that.
 
Just a quick note....

Many of the horses in the Gold Cup were carrying close to 12 stone; the Grand National will be similar - and a lot of it is 'dead weight'. I dont think anyone really takes this on board when asking how much their TBs could comfortably carry - and I very much doubt that the horse in the OP will be expected to gallop around Cheltenham with his new half-loan rider!
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Are we forgetting polo ponies? Not talking about the hardy Argy TBs, but our English ones, many of whom are either ex-racehorses or from racing bloodlines, between 15hh-15.3, with not much bone to speak of. Admittedly they are fit- but i know many over-13stone men, around 6ft, who definitely don't ride very light after an hour in the champagne tent
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I think I might have to change my signature! That's me on a 15.2hh very light weight TB, I am 14 stone
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Brighthair, I have come to a definite conclusion....

Having just read one of your replies in SB (J_J's thread), I believe that your problem is the same as mine.
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Our bazoookas add at least 4 stone to our otherwise 'normal' weight! Without them, I reckon we'd be 8/9 stone
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I think I might have to change my signature! That's me on a 15.2hh very light weight TB, I am 14 stone
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Brighthair, I have come to a definite conclusion....

Having just read one of your replies in SB (J_J's thread), I believe that your problem is the same as mine.
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Our bazoookas add at least 4 stone to our otherwise 'normal' weight! Without them, I reckon we'd be 8/9 stone
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exactly. I've been telling the doctor that for years but he never listens
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I'm 5ft 11, I'm never going to be a twig but I'm fit and muscled. I personally, felt too big on the horse in my sig, but more because of how narrow he was. I feel happy on a 15hh cob or a lighter 16hh horse
 
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exactly. I've been telling the doctor that for years but he never listens
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I'm 5ft 11, I'm never going to be a twig but I'm fit and muscled. I personally, felt too big on the horse in my sig, but more because of how narrow he was. I feel happy on a 15hh cob or a lighter 16hh horse

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See, I dont have the excuse of height - I'm only 5'2
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But the 'zookas certainly push me up at least one dress size, if not two!! I couldnt ever be a twig either, but I do know that I have never, ever felt too big for Ellie. I just hope I dont look it
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exactly. I've been telling the doctor that for years but he never listens
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I'm 5ft 11, I'm never going to be a twig but I'm fit and muscled. I personally, felt too big on the horse in my sig, but more because of how narrow he was. I feel happy on a 15hh cob or a lighter 16hh horse

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See, I dont have the excuse of height - I'm only 5'2
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But the 'zookas certainly push me up at least one dress size, if not two!! I couldnt ever be a twig either, but I do know that I have never, ever felt too big for Ellie. I just hope I dont look it
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not at all. Weight is a weird thing, nobody ever believes I am either 14 stone or a size 16!
 
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Oh dear. Is there some sort of national register for convicted Pony Squishers?

If so, can i lend a pen please?

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Me too! Fourteen stones and it won't go away, despite squishing my 16.3hh Dutch Warmblood (skinny mare) on an almost daily basis. The saddler pooh-poohed my cry of 'I'm too heavy' and just made sure the saddle fitted properly and spread m'weight evenly.
 
Nobody has discussed the fact that a horse will muscle up to what it has to carry. For example, my 15hh Welsh D x should be perfectly capable of carrying a decent weight, but for the last four years she has carried my stick insect daughter or her real owner occassionally who weighs about 9st (max) therefore she is not used to carrying much weight and I wouldn't stick a heavy person on her to take her hunting tomorrow even though on paper she should be perfectly capable, and vice versa with the lightweight thorougbred.
 
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Just a quick note....

Many of the horses in the Gold Cup were carrying close to 12 stone; the Grand National will be similar - and a lot of it is 'dead weight'. I dont think anyone really takes this on board when asking how much their TBs could comfortably carry - and I very much doubt that the horse in the OP will be expected to gallop around Cheltenham with his new half-loan rider!
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Thats as maybe but tis very different asking a very fit racehorse to carry 12 stone flat out for what ? 12 minutes?
Than asking a lightweight 15 hander to carry that sort of weight out hunting for the day or slouching around on a 2 hour hack. Yes of course a little lightweight horse could carry 13, 14, 15 stone - how long for before it breaks is another thing altogether!

So many other things come into it - bone, confirmation, age, fitness, work asked for, type of rider, saddle fit, the list goes on and on.

I agree with earlier post - a few years ago we all rode tbs tbx
arabs and crosses. If you were bigger than average you had a cob.

Nowadays I see huge people on small weedy horses and ponies every day - I feel very sorry for those horses and ponies but it keeps me in work
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Very good point Ravenwood. My boy is a 15.1 ID x TB, and I woudn't call him fine by any means, but he's spent the past 5 years with me riding him, and the most I've weighed in that time is 9.5 stone, so I would imagine he would need a while to adjust to a larger rider.

I may need to sign up to the pony squishers club though, as I still ride my 13hh fine-boned mare, but its fine, her knees only buckle a bit!
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I weigh 50kg (8 stone) and am 5' yet if I joined the army I would be expected to carry 20kg on a tab which is 40% of my body weight.

Bare with me...this tab would last 2 hours cover eight miles...usually running 400m walking 400m (because my legs are short and I have to keep up)

So from these sums I conclude that (as i am not fit nor designed to carry a bergan) my 460kg horse can carry 184kg (40% of his body weight says my calculater)... Hang on a second my scales don't go that high so I cant convert it into stones.

Basically my point is I reckon horses can carry alot more than they let on!

(all calculations are estimates and yes I can complete my CFT so it is possible)
 
Have your PT instructor put you at the front, a CFT should be 4mph which you should be able to march out at. Sounds like they are taking it too quickly (most do).
 
I do CFT's it at 4mph (8miles/ two hours) And our PTI's rotate the platoons/ sections so I am at the front a third of the time!
the running comes from people at the front letting gaps appear then running to catch up so we get the catapillar ripple. Also my natural step is only 27inches, where as a six foot man steps out around 31inches (while the actual marching step should be 30 inches except where women are present in skirts tailored to 28inches...go figure!) so naturally I am doing more steps to one of there's.

Anyway the actual CFT had nothing to do with my point really but thank you for the advise.
My point was I can undergo strenuous exercise with 40% of my body weight on board why can't horses who have twice as many legs!!!!!!!
 
Luckily they never had me do my CFT in my skirts
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although I will admit to getting hacked off with some officer cadets and demonstrated an a-frame command task with my skirt hitched up school girl style much to the amusement of onlookers...
 
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