Well baby coblet would appear to be backed...

I don't get the 'if this was a newbie' line. 'Newbies' are treated differently in all cases, new colleagues, new boyfriend, new husband, newly met person.....
 
millitiger said:
I think the sensible thing would be to agree to disagree (but who is sensible on here).

I don't remember any of OPs previous posts on working her 2yro otherwise I would probably have commented on them too.

My opinion doesn't change based on whether it is a new poster or someone 'known' on the board.

I disagree with riding a 2yro full-stop and I disagree with riding on the roads (particularly on a young horse) in a headcollar.
If the OP is offended by the comments then so be it I'm afraid, I don't think pictures and videos of 2yro horses being ridden should be condoned and accepted as normal.
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I do not wish to get involved with posting on this one but just wanted to apologise for hi jacking the thread a little as I just want to ask millitiger a general question in response to a comment. You say in your post that you would not ride any horse in a headcollar on the roads, just out of curiosity would you also take this stance on bitless bridles, particularly say a side pull which is effectively a headcollar? :)
 
Billie1007 said:
I don't get the 'if this was a newbie' line. 'Newbies' are treated differently in all cases, new colleagues, new boyfriend, new husband, newly met person.....
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I hate this "Oh if you were new you'd be slated for this" culture in here. I often think old posters have it worse, as you see so often other users pulling out old threads and posts to catch them out or make them look bad, or even just judging them on their reputation around here. And reputations aren't always founded on much :cool: But like anything, some posters get an easy ride, others don't - whether they're old nags or foals. Forum responses often aren't fair or representative.
 
I would take that stance on headcollars but not Bitless Immy. As someone who uses Bitless bridles wherever and happily a headcollar not on the road... I wouldn't like to invalidate my insurance on something so big that you couldn't contest it. I simply don't have the money to do so. I spoke to someone last time i phoned up about insurance (not an issue currently as not riding out atm so back with bhs who I haven't asked) who was fine with Bitless bridle as it was a bridle, definitely not with a headcollar.
 
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I would take that stance on headcollars but not Bitless Immy. As someone who uses Bitless bridles wherever and happily a headcollar not on the road... I wouldn't like to invalidate my insurance on something so big that you couldn't contest it. I simply don't have the money to do so. I spoke to someone last time i phoned up about insurance (not an issue currently as not riding out atm so back with bhs who I haven't asked) who was fine with Bitless bridle as it was a bridle, definitely not with a headcollar.
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Thank you for that reply, good to know that information about the definitive difference between a headcollar and bitless bridle when it comes to insurance.
 
I ride Bitless a lot, and was told by someone it was "not covered" - so i rang my insurance company, and it is covered - they even put it in writing for me :)

The key that it was correctly fitting, and that I had proper and safe control at all times. Now I know that i wouldn't have that control riding in anything other than his hackamore, but it was certainly interesting finding out.
 
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Immy... They couldn't give a better answer than 'because it's a bridle' though. I tried asking for clarification on the difference but was talking to someone who sounded like they'd never seen a horse in their life and was reading off a script... So gave up! I think it's probably just ticking boxes as recommended by highways. Bridle -yes. Headcollar - no.
Saddle -yes. Stirrups - don't care.

Shysmum, sounds logical about fit.
 
I think enough has been said, the op has obviously run for cover! I think we all agree that riding a 2 yo is wrong and just in a head collar on a road is silly. She has obviously done lots of things that are right with her lovely coblet and I'm sure she has his best interests at heart!
 
LaurenBay said:
In one of my previous posts, I did say he has been sat on a handful of times. I did not say this was the first time he has been sat on. I would not be taking any Horse on the roads, in a headcollar only. I would wait for the Horse to be old enough to bit and then lead in a Bridle. I would also have hi-vis on myself and on the Horse. I would also be in the company of an older Horse. I would ride only in the school or a fenced off area in a paddock. Then I would introduce riding on the roads, again with proper tack, hi vis and another Horse.
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What difference do you think a bridle, other horse and hi viz would actually make to a youngster which was unprepared to be on the road? None whatsoever if the horse is not sufficiently used to traffic to be ridden in it. CS has led this horse all over the place like a dog, he is far more used to traffic than your average youngster anyway.

Do I think she should have had tack on, on the road. Yes. Do I think it would have made the slightest difference to a youngster who lost the plot on the road. No.

She should have had tack to comply with the Highway Code, otherwise I don't see what the fuss is about the horse is nearly three, a couple of sits on him for ten minutes are not going to do any damage to him.

Was I going to ruin her happy post when we know from her other post she has had a really rubbish run of luck recently. No.
 
zigzag said:
Yes, and she would look the same if she had a saddle and rode without stirrups... she is too tall and looks silly, maybe turn him away and let him grow up

When I ride my horse bareback my legs aren't below his knees
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You may look far too small and look silly but I wouldn't be rude enough to point that out when it made utterly no odds to anything.
 
I'm sorry OP but have to agree with the majority of these posters. I think common sense has gone out of the window. No hi vis on, bareback in a headcollar on a 2yo on a public road? Not the smartest thing I've seen done.
 
I've never read ChristmasSparkles posts before as the phrase "baby Coblet" has always put me off - don't know why - but I opened this thread as I just knew there would be a huge variety of opinions.

I started backing my youngster in about October last year - when she was three and a half. She is now hacked out about twice a week - once by me and once by one of the other riders off the yard, and until she is a bit older that's all she will be doing.
However it sounds like the OP has done a lot of groundwork with her horse and I think leading and long-reining out on the road is a great idea and something I did quite a lot with mine - it built up trust and confidence and as a result, she was a complete gem to back - an absolute pro.
Personally I would like to see OP's horse with a bridle on and a year older, but it's done now and I don't think she's going to do any damage - in fact she'll probably end up with a bombproof well rounded horse.
As for damage to joints, I'm not convinced - my other horse wasn't backed until she was older than 4 ( I know she was unbacked at 4 - just not sure whether she was backed at 5 or 6) and at the grand age of 11 is knackered - ligament damage, spavin, navicular - and she has very low mileage!
 
Good luck I love seeing your posts, you clearly care for the coblet and I think you are doing a grand job. If you were galloping along the high street pounding his joints fair due for criticism but your coblet it all looks light to me. I think you are exposing your lovely coblet to lots of sights and sounds and I am sure he will be well chilled out in the traffic etc as its all acceptable to him. Good luck and keep posting. He clearly is a much loved coblet.
 
If it was a new poster they wouldn't have old threads to drag up as evidence against them. I didn't know the youngster was not yet 3 as I didn't think the dredge up such history.

I wouldn't personally back a horse at 2, but is there really that much difference between 2 years and 9 months, to 3 years? I'd rather a horse was literally sat on at this age and turned away than backed at 3 and continued intensive work.

I wouldn't ride a horse bareback in a headcollar on a main road, but that's A) because I don't feel comfortable bareback, lots of people do. Clearly CS does, and B) because of insurance and highway code, I don't believe having a piece of metal in a horse's mouth automatically gives you control, in fact it has potential to add to a freak out.

Also, its not really a main road, its a housing estate, with some parked cars. I haven't seen a video with a main road?
 
I hope the OP has the sense to avoid reading the majority of the comments on this thread,which have been posted after her last one.
I usually avoid these threads when they deteriorate, but felt the need to say something tonight.
While it may not be YOUR idea of how to do things, she clearly adores the horse, has a good amount of horse knowledge, knows her horse and would never wish to harm it.
See the Redwings post on here tonight which is something people should be thinking about. How many will bother to donate to that, as it is far easier to bitch on here.:(
 
God this thread has gone on and on. I am feeling sorry for CS now. Lets face it the little cob is going to come to no harm, he is a chunky little thing and not a finely bred horse that would have an eventing, racing life in front of him. He is what he is, a gypsy cob type. He really wont suffer because he has been ridden bareback for a few minutes around a housing estate and he certainly does not look distressed about. The political correctness on this forum is ridiculous. I take my TB out on the roads with bridle, saddle etc. and I am far more likely to to have a confrontation with traffic than a little cob with or without a bridle.

Having said that, this is not my way of doing things, simply because I dont own or wish to own such an animal. I really dont think any harm would come to the cob, or any member of the public having watched the video. Far worse out there for you all to get your knickers in a twist about.
 
justabob said:
God this thread has gone on and on. I am feeling sorry for CS now. Lets face it the little cob is going to come to no harm, he is a chunky little thing and not a finely bred horse that would have an eventing, racing life in front of him. He is what he is, a gypsy cob type. He really wont suffer because he has been ridden bareback for a few minutes around a housing estate and he certainly does not look distressed about. The political correctness on this forum is ridiculous. I take my TB out on the roads with bridle, saddle etc. and I am far more likely to to have a confrontation with traffic than a little cob with or without a bridle.

Having said that, this is not my way of doing things, simply because I dont own or wish to own such an animal. I really dont think any harm would come to the cob, or any member of the public having watched the video. Far worse out there for you all to get your knickers in a twist about.
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Exactly!
 
I wonder if all the people who are so quick to jump on CS have actually read the last bit of her post that says Sparks is now being left til winter and will spend the summer stuffing his face full of grass :rolleyes:
 
Agree with millitiger on this.....
I disagree with riding a 2yro full-stop and I disagree with riding on the roads (particularly on a young horse) in a headcollar.If the OP is offended by the comments then so be it I'm afraid, I don't think pictures and videos of 2yro horses being ridden should be condoned and accepted as normal.
Don't want to be a cow but this is how I feel
 
Spottyappy said:
I hope the OP has the sense to avoid reading the majority of the comments on this thread,which have been posted after her last one.
I usually avoid these threads when they deteriorate, but felt the need to say something tonight.
While it may not be YOUR idea of how to do things, she clearly adores the horse, has a good amount of horse knowledge, knows her horse and would never wish to harm it.
See the Redwings post on here tonight which is something people should be thinking about. How many will bother to donate to that, as it is far easier to bitch on here.:(
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Spot on exactly. This horse is well looked after etc. She is young and when I look at what things I did on a horse in a headcollar that I wouldnt dream of doing now(purely cos i know I would fall off and dont bounce etc). But I agree with the above sentiments and CS please keep posting I love cobs and dont be put off I think you are doing the right things(and as for the bit...you can introduce that later..whats the rush..perhaps you dont want a bit at all, I bet your horse knows voice commands..I know my cob did! Good luck ignore the misery guts that have popped up on this thread. Keep having fun.
 
Wow, I feel so sorry for CS, She was just posting a proud thread, wasn't asking for critisism or anything, she was meerly showing off her gorgeous coblet. Now I'm not condoning people riding 2 year olds, especially with no tack or hat on etc.. but it's not like she was galloping up the road etc..

I think we should all give CS a break tbh. If you read the last bit she says coblet is going to be turned away and left to mature, he's only backed not broken.

Can we just let this thread drop away now? I can't help feel CS may be in hiding due to people's opinions!
 
Springy said:
Agree with millitiger on this.....
I disagree with riding a 2yro full-stop and I disagree with riding on the roads (particularly on a young horse) in a headcollar.If the OP is offended by the comments then so be it I'm afraid, I don't think pictures and videos of 2yro horses being ridden should be condoned and accepted as normal.
Don't want to be a cow but this is how I feel
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Oh well Springers, you go with the flow and purse your lips in dissaproval, perhaps those of us that have proper horses are a little more adventurous. In fact the cob is classed as a three year old now.;)
 
Justabob - I'm going to bring my cob to see you in summer to hack out with you - just so you can be embarrassed by being seen with a coloured cob (although she's a sporty cob!!) :p
 
Parachute said:
Wow, I feel so sorry for CS, She was just posting a proud thread, wasn't asking for critisism or anything, she was meerly showing off her gorgeous coblet. Now I'm not condoning people riding 2 year olds, especially with no tack or hat on etc.. but it's not like she was galloping up the road etc..

I think we should all give CS a break tbh. If you read the last bit she says coblet is going to be turned away and left to mature, he's only backed not broken.

Can we just let this thread drop away now? I can't help feel CS may be in hiding due to people's opinions!
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No she actually said he was going out to grass and hacked once or twice a week. No one said she doesn't love him etc. But whatever, one rule for one, one for another,
 
zigzag said:
No she actually said he was going out to grass and hacked once or twice a week. No one said she doesn't love him etc. But whatever, one rule for one, one for another,
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I never said she doesn't love him? And I'm sorry for misreading the ending. I just feel sorry for poor CS getting all this criticism when she never asked for an opinion!! CS is only young and we've all made mistakes. Hopefully she's learnt from the numerous comments that what she did wasn't exactly the cleverest thing in the world but i'm more than happy to leave it be, are you?
 
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Justabob - I'm going to bring my cob to see you in summer to hack out with you - just so you can be embarrassed by being seen with a coloured cob (although she's a sporty cob!!) :p
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Lol! you know what I meant. I sincerely hope you do as it would be lovely to see you both. xxxx:)
 
ChristmasSparkles said:
Think that's us done till winter now!!! Don't think he needs anything more. He has a easy summer lined up getting fat on grass. Lucky git.;)
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zigzag said:
No she actually said he was going out to grass and hacked once or twice a week. No one said she doesn't love him etc. But whatever, one rule for one, one for another,
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I can't be bothered trawling the thread any further.
 
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