Welsh a experts/showing people/judges :) .. help!

She is most definitely not too fine and looking at her she is Section A. The ifrst set of photo's do no justice to her at all, however further down in the photo's while the headcollar choosen is not suitable and does little to show her off she does have a nice defined head.

In local shows you'll do okay but in OCunty shows IMO I feel she needs more top line and she does look weak in a few area's.

However I am only going from your photo's and stood up correctly she may or may not look better.
 
Regardless of whether she LOOKS like section A, if she is currently standing at 12.1 she IS over height & if you wanted to show her at anything other than local level she would need to be re-registered as a section B. Those are the rules made by the WPCS.

http://www.wpcs.uk.com/ponies/registration.html#s4

4. TRANSFERS BETWEEN SECTIONS

On the basis of height certified by a Veterinary Surgeon, the Society may sanction:

4.1 A transfer from Section A to Section B of stock which has grown over 12 hands.

4.2 A transfer from Section C to Section D of stock which has grown over 13 hands 2 inches.

4.3 A transfer from Section D to Section C of stock, seven years old or over, which does not exceed 13 hands 2 inches.
 
Pearlsasinger said:
And if your WPCS registration says section A, then Section A she is!
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Not technically so, once a pony grows over the stated max height it should be re registered as such. if sec.'B' grow over 13.2hh it will still be a sec 'b but will not be eligible to compete in 'B' classes, were as a sec'C' that out grow can be moved up to a 'D'
Copied from WPCS:
4. TRANSFERS BETWEEN SECTIONS

On the basis of height certified by a Veterinary Surgeon, the Society may sanction:

4.1 A transfer from Section A to Section B of stock which has grown over 12 hands.

4.2 A transfer from Section C to Section D of stock which has grown over 13 hands 2 inches.

4.3 A transfer from Section D to Section C of stock, seven years old or over, which does not exceed 13 hands 2 inches
GREAT MIND THINK ALIKE !
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Pearlsasinger said:
However if she has mouth issues that make her unsuitable for riding, is she really suitable for showing? Showing is usually a precursor of breeding and it sounds as though she really shouldn't be bred from. Obviously this doesn't mean that I think you shouldn't do local classes. Unfortunately there has been a lot of line breeding in the Welshies and this doesn't just pass on desirable features.
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Her present condition may not be hereditary it have have been acquired after birth.
 
No her jaw/teeth conditions are from birth, i contacted someone that worked at the stud reacently and the mare Mysti was from had a deformed foal the year after too.
Shes never going to be bred from, if i wanted another welsh i would go pick up a baby from the Twyford stud anyway :p

HOWEVER you cant tell she has any mouth condtions until you get a EDT to look :)

Unless you count a twisted tooth which isnt visable unless you open her mouth.

I wasnt standing her up or holding her in these pics, they are just pics ive taken of her on the yard, will try to get some pics of her standing nice :D

Im not gonna re-register her unless i do qualify for somthing lol, because theres no point tbh, i doubt any local shows are going to notice shes a inch over height!!

Im only going to the shows for fun, but the thought of going and always being placed at the bottom of the line was really starting to put me off :(

As for the topline thing, i need to get a roller that fits herm then work her in sidereins :)

Thanks for all the replies :D
 
I'm sorry if I didn't read properly about the ridden thing etc....

She is a super,very pretty pony with excellent breeding,and as you rightly say,I doubt anyone will measure her at local shows!!

Just go for it....she'll do so well in small M & M classes and it gives you a purpose with her.

Good luck x
 
Cazza525 said:
I'm sorry if I didn't read properly about the ridden thing etc....

She is a super,very pretty pony with excellent breeding,and as you rightly say,I doubt anyone will measure her at local shows!!
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Hehe if i see a measuring stick we could always do this to get under height? :p :D

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montyforever said:
No her jaw/teeth conditions are from birth, i contacted someone that worked at the stud reacently and the mare Mysti was from had a deformed foal the year after too.

HOWEVER you cant tell she has any mouth condtions until you get a EDT to look :)

Unless you count a twisted tooth which isnt visable unless you open her mouth.

As for the topline thing, i need to get a roller that fits herm then work her in sidereins :)
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Oh please don't put her in side reins, they really are brutal especially as your mare all ready has mouth problems, and I can tell you with many years experience in the ridden showing (Welsh all sections) world that they will not make a hapeth of difference to her top line, as she is not ridden you will have not 'legs' to drive her into a good round outline and therefore all you will be doing is forcing the nose in with a hollow back which will be of counter benefit.
Welsh pony mares dont always have the big crest of the cobs, most sec 'B' and thats what you have now are more of a riding type with finer necks and narrower backs.
Shows may not notice but your fellow competitors will and they will not be pleased, and she will fit in much better in the 'B' group anyway
Good Luck
 
pippinpie said:
Oh please don't put her in side reins, they really are brutal especially as your mare all ready has mouth problems, and I can tell you with many years experience in the ridden showing (Welsh all sections) world that they will not make a hapeth of difference to her top line, as she is not ridden you will have not 'legs' to drive her into a good round outline and therefore all you will be doing is forcing the nose in with a hollow back which will be of counter benefit.
Welsh pony mares dont always have the big crest of the cobs, most sec 'B' and thats what you have now are more of a riding type with finer necks and narrower backs.
Shows may not notice but your fellow competitors will and they will not be pleased, and she will fit in much better in the 'B' group anyway
Good Luck
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I so agree with you about side reins, but she is an A and would look out of place with sec Bs she bares no ressemblence to a sec B and if she were to go in such a class it would be glaringly obvious.
 
pippinpie said:
Oh please don't put her in side reins, they really are brutal especially as your mare all ready has mouth problems, and I can tell you with many years experience in the ridden showing (Welsh all sections) world that they will not make a hapeth of difference to her top line, as she is not ridden you will have not 'legs' to drive her into a good round outline and therefore all you will be doing is forcing the nose in with a hollow back which will be of counter benefit.
Welsh pony mares dont always have the big crest of the cobs, most sec 'B' and thats what you have now are more of a riding type with finer necks and narrower backs.
Shows may not notice but your fellow competitors will and they will not be pleased, and she will fit in much better in the 'B' group anyway
Good Luck
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Mine have elastic bits, and i never put them on tight :)

Also i lunge her in a bitless bridle, She cant wear a bit.

Mysti actually has got quite a crest reacently you cant really see it in the pics .. (shes not fat .. )

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Shes starting to fill out in the "right" places now, she looked like a foal that swollowed a barrel when i got her :D :p
 
montyforever said:
Also i lunge her in a bitless bridle, She cant wear a bit.
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Excellent news :)
When you lounge her without any other tack but the head piece and lounge rein she will be able to use all her muscles and therefore develop a natural out line with her more in balance rather than a forced quick fix used by many, just ask yourself would I do that to my child and if not don't do it to your pony.
To move correctly horse need to use their backs, if you falsely pull in the nose you are more likely to get her to hollow her back making her stride shorten and her back legs/feet not tracking up, looking like they are trailing, yes her head might look great but the rest falls to pieces.
Only tips, others may think differently :)
 
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pippinpie said:
Excellent news :)
When you lounge her without any other tack but the head piece and lounge rein she will be able to use all her muscles and therefore develop a natural out line with her more in balance rather than a forced quick fix used by many, just ask yourself would I do that to my child and if not don't do it to your pony.
To move correctly horse need to use their backs, if you falsely pull in the nose you are more likely to get her to hollow her back making her stride shorten and her back legs/feet not tracking up, looking like they are trailing, yes her head might look great but the rest falls to pieces.
Only tips, others may think differently :)
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This is how i normally lunge her :) (obv she does trotting too but i cant record and stop er pee'in off :D )

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montyforever said:
This is how i normally lunge her :) (obv she does trotting too but i cant record and stop er pee'in off :D )

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That looks really nice, calm and happy, well done.
Just because she can't take a bit does not stop her from being ridden at some point, some bit-less bridles are kind and effective, but some that use the long shank squeeze the nose/chin are not kind, if she were to be trained in a natural halter or a cook's bit less bridle, I think that would add another dimension to her life and yours.
 
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