Welsh cobs

Sorry, I didn't mean to offend by use of 'thick' word! Apologies all round. I guess I meant bolshy or stubborn, both of which seem to apply (to some individuals) judging from your replies. My beloved rising 22-year-old arab mare has just retired, and I am wondering if a Welsh D or X would replace her for hacking, Trec, dressage, riding club type stuff. She is a hard act to follow, after fun 12 years together, but Welshes keep on catching my eye...!
 
well, people keep asking if my new welsh (the chestnut in my signature) is a part-bred arab! the welsh does have a lot of arab in their history so if you like arabs, welshies are similar in a few ways, but also very different in others. both of mine are amazing all-rounders. they dont just do a bit of everything, they do well at it. i have rosettes in every discipline i've tried with them.
 
says it all really.....
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I would agree with what most others have said- definitely can see some arab in many of the lighter ones. Mine is very athletic, fast when you want in (hacking or jump offs) always goes clear SJ, can do a nice dressage test and is just a total dude!

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=3661128&l=57804&id=896000047 (should be able to see that without being on FB)

He's narrow chested, medium saddle and very nimble
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My beloved Welsh D x Hackney (in my siggie) is a star
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He spent the 1st 6 years of the 17+ years I have owned him, jogging everywhere. He is willing, eager, mostly cooperative, fizzy, forward going and will happily go past everything, even though it may be at speed. He has always been a handful, but it looks worse than it feels and can make you look a good rider, even when you aren't
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He was never a cuddly horse, but nowadays, he will allow me to give him a kiss, and although, he would not admit it, he does like it
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PS.... and he jumps like a stag
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PPS ... and as Madhossy says ... he is sharp
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They are certainly not thick!! LOL!! they are intelligent - often too intelligent, they like to think they know best, and need firm, fair and consistant handling. expect 1 step forward and about 10 back sometimes!! They are strong and they know it and don't suffer fools gladly. I have had many ups and downs with mine over the last 18 months that i have had him, he was a late breaker so is a bit behind and doesn't like to be rushed. But having said all that, get one on your side and they are one of the most loyal breeds going, and fantastic all rounders, in a way my welsh cob is soo like my old arab it's almost like she's been reincarnated!!
 
I've also got 2 Welsh D mares and although they're different in many ways, they are also very similar.

My older mare was nervy, spooky and sharp when she was younger. Now she's less so.
She's a real lady. Not pushy at all, gentle and a quiet little person.

She knows what she likes, and what she doesn't like she puts up with - and pulls bored and sad faces! Her 'Happy Days' are competing. She loves it all. Eventing, hacking, hunting.

My other D is a youngster. She's at the mo and more bullish. I bought her as an untouched 2yr old from a stud so it's taken her some time to 'get it' that you don't trample and squash your owner!

She's not the nervy type once you've shown her the way. she's so funny about new experiences. Like clipping. Show her the clippers off and on - and then go clip.

Show her the spray bottle - let her sniff it - then go spray!

The similiarities between the 2 is that they're very nosey and if you talk to them a lot they understand a lot of it.

They get upset if they're told off for something they feel they haven't done. but if they know they're naughty, they accept the telling off and get over it!
 
You've given me a little hope for my youngster, she drives me mad with her little tantrums of "But i'm scared" where she almost crushes you to hide behind you. Saying that she does always use her chest and not her feet which i suppose is a good thing. I absolutely love her to bits, but i did wonder if she would ever change - and to be fair the likelihood is she probably will, we've takena step back just now by moving her to a new yard with a new adoptive mum who will keep her in work and hopefully progress further than where we were before. Saying that if she really isnt ready then as before i will be putting her in foal and hopefully she'll breed a lovely colt with her colouring and we can keep him entire he'd be stunning!!
 
I think you need to do some research in to the bloodlines, as i have found sec D's temps are often very closely related to how they are bred, with some lines being more highly strung and difficult from others. I'm not a sec D fan, mainly because most i have had to deal with have been show stock who have been very badly inbred (line bred they like to call it) who are really quite difficult and require handling with kid gloves in order to get anywhere with them. I have had a few nice ones though but they have been from less popular lines mostly. I had a fantastic welsh pb as a teeneger, she was sooooo fun, and was a TB cross, it gave her all the spark but somehow she came out with a diluted sharpness, ie. she was sharp but not in the welsh way (i find them a little insecure and with a tendancy to panic over new things, esp as youngsters, maybe i've just had a very bad bunch!) and not in the silly TB way. Fast , fun and very genuine. one thing sec ds are not though is thick!
 
You are absolutely right, show cobs are generally badly inbred giving them the extra spark required for showing! However it isnt rule of thumb - Taf is inbred on both sides his great grand sires showing on both is dam and sire side, he is extremely well behaved. Cerys on the other hand has no inbreeding and she is a little madam. Most cobs will come from Nebo/Derwen/Lanarth lines.
 
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