jennygee
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Morning, have a good friend who's in her early 60's and looking to buy a welsh d she has had welshes before , but as getting older just wondered what stallions to look at regarding temperment and not to fiery.
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Traks
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Aww they are the best breed! Full of character! I'm not that familiar with that many stallions, the Trevallion ones seem to be a nice sort, they have a good Facebook page.
Ours is out of A Derwen Desert Express Sire, the Derwen lines are fantastic to be fair!
Ours is out of A Derwen Desert Express Sire, the Derwen lines are fantastic to be fair!
conniegirl
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Trofarth lines generally have a good head on thier shoulders with a good mix of the welsh fire with a hefty dose of common sense and bravery.
Exasperated
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How lovely!
If she’s wanting to buy a riding stallion, definitely suggest older, one that is already regularly doing whatever job, and already well-tried for laid back / unflappable, possibly a bit lazy - there certainly are W. stallions like this, but generally goldust for existing owners, and of course your friend would need suitable accommodation.
If wants the background breeding of a mare /gelding: look up the pedigree, WPCS site, and if it shows cross after cross of the same animals, linebred, then quite possibly those offspring will have ‘a bit more about them’. Could be a bit ‘high-couraged’ for what she now wants?
Some of the most beautiful linebred come from Derwen, who pride themselves on their foundation stock legacy, lovely temperaments, intelligent and sensitive.
However, individual animals are individual, so making any bloodline generalisations without reference to how they have been trained and kept, has limited value.
If she wants ‘steady’, make sure to due diligence the seller, thoroughly question current rider, and try out in as many comparable situations as possible. A vet check not a bad idea, either.
Good luck, sounds great!
millitiger
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Is she wanting to buy something already under saddle?
If so, I wouldn't worry too much about bloodlines and I'd judge the horse in front of me more.
I say this as someone with a lovely Welsh cob but I don't know much about his breeding apart from he is from Penstrumbly Stud.
When we saw him at the sales, he was much quieter and more sensible and settled at the auction than any of the other Welsh weanlings that were there.
If so, I wouldn't worry too much about bloodlines and I'd judge the horse in front of me more.
I say this as someone with a lovely Welsh cob but I don't know much about his breeding apart from he is from Penstrumbly Stud.
When we saw him at the sales, he was much quieter and more sensible and settled at the auction than any of the other Welsh weanlings that were there.
HaplessHorse
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I’m a bit cautious of Derwen lines, as they all come from NBM and they seem to to horrifyingly inbred. I did a lot of research when I had my Welsh D and I was looking for explanations for some of his issues, certainly found them. No horse that is bred from sires x daughters x full siblings, etc can be expected to be ok mentally, or have as good of a life expectancy.
It’s not just my one horse either, it seems to be endemic to most derwen lines (not all, though).
Traks
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Definitely agree with this!
pistolpete
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Good luck. So many nutty welshies about!
Exasperated
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I think you’ll find they all go back to Dewi Rosina, ex Dewi Black Bess f.100 years ago. However, the stud has exported all over the world, for all sorts of different disciplines, with continued success, and some are very long-lived animals.
I do agree close line breeding can produce ‘issues’, hence earlier comment, and if OP’s friend wants a certain sort of temperament, would be as well to thoroughly try and enquire about the prospective Cob.
Which would only be sensible with any horse!
Exasperated
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Well, the Welsh stud book is closed and large. Law of averages, may be some instability, see also TBs, and some familial issues. However, too many W. Cobs don’t do a fraction enough work for today’s leisure riders.
If you consider what the breeding was actually for, the original maid of all work: all the haulage on small hill farms, pull a trade cart for hours each day, go hunting, family to chapel on Sunday, all on meagre rations - and people now think 45 mins in a manège, or an hour’s mooch round the lanes is sufficient daily activity. Add a lack of meaningful turnout, unsuitable feed - and may as well expect them to be climbing out of their skins. That’s inappropriate management, but luckily OP’s friend has experience
McFluff
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Mine has Derwen and Ionos lines and his temperament is amazing. He has spark and character, but is safe. I wish I could replicate him, (or even better, keep him going well into his forties so we retire together).
rextherobber
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Maesmynach ones are lovely
Sandstone1
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I agree, also I think the rider has to fit the cob as it were. If you click with them they can be great, they have big characters often. They do not suffer fools gladly and can be more sensitive than people think. They do not like to be bullied. They will try their hearts out for you if you get on but can become fire breathing dragons at times!Well, the Welsh stud book is closed and large. Law of averages, may be some instability, see also TBs, and some familial issues. However, too many W. Cobs don’t do a fraction enough work for today’s leisure riders.
If you consider what the breeding was actually for, the original maid of all work: all the haulage on small hill farms, pull a trade cart for hours each day, go hunting, family to chapel on Sunday, all on meagre rations - and people now think 45 mins in a manège, or an hour’s mooch round the lanes is sufficient daily activity. Add a lack of meaningful turnout, unsuitable feed - and may as well expect them to be climbing out of their skins. That’s inappropriate management, but luckily OP’s friend has experience