Welsh section C

[annasewell]

Hi!
A few months ago I got a lovely little Welsh section C foal. (From the hillgarth stud). She has just turned 1 last week and is currently measuring 12.1hh. Furthermore, her passport shows a lot of her family tree to be section D’s. 12.1 seems tall to me for a horse that should only make 13.2 max, however this is my foal so it’s all very new to me.
Can anyone give me any advice as to what height she might make?
I’ve also attached a photograph of her, if anyone has any comments on comfortmation I’d be extremely greatful!
Thank you in advance

 

[annasewell]

 

[JackFrost]

From the photo and that info, I'd say she will make a typical 13.2, true to type. She looks pretty and is nicely proportioned with legs set on nice and square.
Remember that in the past, Sec D's were often a lot smaller than they are now.
If you are concerned about height for showing, try the string test.

 

[Errin Paddywack]

My boy was quite a bit bigger than yours at 18 months and topped off at a full up 13.2.

 

[gallopingby]

People worry so much about height these days whether it’s too tall or too small. Your pony looks very typey and that’s much more important than anything else at the moment. All out native breeds need to be immediately identifiable as the breed they’re supposed to be. By that l near there should be no doubt that they are a Welsh, Dartmoor, Highland etc. many people knock judges these days for not knowing what breed a pony is instead they should visit some of the breed shows or areas of the uk where that breed originates from and study the different types within a breed.

 

[conniegirl]

People worry so much about height these days whether it’s too tall or too small. Your pony looks very typey and that’s much more important than anything else at the moment. All out native breeds need to be immediately identifiable as the breed they’re supposed to be. By that l near there should be no doubt that they are a Welsh, Dartmoor, Highland etc. many people knock judges these days for not knowing what breed a pony is instead they should visit some of the breed shows or areas of the uk where that breed originates from and study the different types within a breed.

Height is very important for section C’s particularly if you be intend on showing. Anything that goes over 13.2hh cannot be shown as a C and is reclassified as a D.
A 13.3 C type is very very unlikely to do well in the D class.

 

[gallopingby]

Height is very important for section C’s particularly if you be intend on showing. Anything that goes over 13.2hh cannot be shown as a C and is reclassified as a D.
A 13.3 C type is very very unlikely to do well in the D class.

A pony of whatever breed that immediately strikes a judge, who knows and interpreted the breed standard correctly, should always be placed higher than one fractionally smaller or bigger than a measured height.
A pony measured at home could well be 13.3 but ‘stood up’ and measured correctly according to JMB rules is often not the height it was thought to be. A pony or horse often doesn’t stop growing until 5 years or more although some may grow up and out at different stages.
If we put height or perceived height over breed characteristics we will ‘continue’ to loose type. Many of our native breeds have changed so much over the last 30/40 years that some are unrecognisable, others are now beginning to look more ’uni’ native pony.

 

[conniegirl]

A pony of whatever breed that immediately strikes a judge, who knows and interpreted the breed standard correctly, should always be placed higher than one fractionally smaller or bigger than a measured height.
A pony measured at home could well be 13.3 but ‘stood up’ and measured correctly according to JMB rules is often not the height it was thought to be. A pony or horse often doesn’t stop growing until 5 years or more although some may grow up and out at different stages.
If we put height or perceived height over breed characteristics we will ‘continue’ to loose type. Many of our native breeds have changed so much over the last 30/40 years that some are unrecognisable, others are now beginning to look more ’uni’ native pony.

Ponies dont stop growing until 7 which is why you cant get a life height cert until at least 7 and having had 1 annual cert first.

A 13.3hh C is never going to be able to compete as a D, there is a subtle difference in type and most are 14.2 - 15.2hh any bigger and the D’s tend to lose type too.
With the C’s its not a matter of “oh he is typey but slightly over height just show him as a C” if they go over height by even a fraction then they have to be reregistered as a D.

Im a registered panel judge and have been showing native ponies at top level for over 25 years. My current C has been to HOYS 4 times standing no lower than 6th and has won the C class at RIHS. Please don’t treat me like an idiot

 

[gallopingby]

Oh dear, oh dear, so pleased you know as much as you think you do. Maybe come back when you’re as old as me.

 

[conniegirl]

Oh dear, oh dear, so pleased you know as much as you think you do. Maybe come back when you’re as old as me.

Oh dear, oh dear. Clearly age does not equal knowledge.

Look at you believing you can show an overheight animal just because its typey, how sweet. You do realise that even if you manage to get your overheight animal to measure in (and yes we all know there are some not very ethical tricks to get big animals to measure smaller) then as soon as it qualifies for anything big someone will object (normally another competitor) and then you have major problems.

 

[maya2008]

Hi!
A few months ago I got a lovely little Welsh section C foal. (From the hillgarth stud). She has just turned 1 last week and is currently measuring 12.1hh. Furthermore, her passport shows a lot of her family tree to be section D’s. 12.1 seems tall to me for a horse that should only make 13.2 max, however this is my foal so it’s all very new to me.
Can anyone give me any advice as to what height she might make?
I’ve also attached a photograph of her, if anyone has any comments on comfortmation I’d be extremely greatful!
Thank you in advance

I believe the rule is about a hand a year until they are 3yo. I bought a tiny little 9 month old last year, and she has grown at least a hand since, as has my homebred (2 different breeds). They were both about 10hh at a year old and are now 11.1hh and 11.2hh at rising 2. They string test to a hand bigger - so 12.1hh and 12.2hh. The dam of the smaller one had her growth stunted a bit by having an early foal (at 2yo!) - she shot up nearly 3 inches once the foal was weaned!

I would agree with you that your pony may well go over height.