Welsh Section Ds

[Wizpop]

Hi- hoping for some words of wisdom on the above from you knowledgeable people out there!
im looking for a Section D for dressage up to elementary, hacking and clinics. I know that there is a big variation in temperament in the bloodlines and a tendency to quirkiness/ sharpness which I do not want as an older rider -I’m looking for one with the calm gene! I know that they exist as I owned one years ago, he had Fronarth / Nebo in his recent pedigree. So I’m wanting to know which bloodlines to look at and which to avoid; maybe I’m looking for the impossible but I have seen some advertised that sound sane enough. I’m also wanting 15.hh as I’ve got long legs so possibly chunky?
if any of you good people have any words of advice, I’d be very grateful

 

[Crugeran Celt]

I have had two partbred Nebo mares who have both been amazing but wanted a full D. Seventeen years ago I was looking for a new riding horse as had to retire my mare. Saw a full D gelding again Nebo breeding and bought him, he is stunning but I can honestly say I would never buy a pure bred D or a gelding again. He is nervous and having had him all this time he is still afraid of the sound the gate makes from his field to his stable. He is completely unpredictable and be a total laid back on the buckle ride or he can be shying at everything and you just don't know which character you are going to get. I gave up riding him some years ago as I just couldn't be doing with the stress of it. He is a happy, healthy field ornament with m,y retired mare. Saying that I know of a full D who is doing pretty well on the dressage scene. Good luck in finding what you are after.

 

[PeterNatt]

I had a lovely Welsh Section D (Traditional Type) that came from the Gateway Stud in Wales. Most amazing horse as totally nuclear bombproof/spookproof yet forward going as well. 38241 Myndd Morwydd Chesnut Section D v Maesymoor Comet 25603 Bay Section D.

 

[palo1]

There are studs that breed more for ridden performance and other folks might know more about that than I do but the Maesmynach Stud breed lovely D's who seem to be reliably quite sane and trainable! My mare is a Maesmynach and is just about perfect in my eyes but I think even a healthy and sensible Welsh D can be quite sensitive and hot. I like my horses like that but they are deffo not for everyone. Good luck in your search.

 

[Spottyappy]

They rarely part with theirs, but the Broughton stud have sold one who has gone onto do well in dressage.
All,of their cobs have faultless temperaments too, if you were able to get hold of one.
This Is the one whom they sold,and he does stand at stud with his current owners I believe.

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[paddy555]

. Saw a full D gelding again Nebo breeding and bought him, he is stunning but I can honestly say I would never buy a pure bred D or a gelding again. He is nervous and having had him all this time he is still afraid of the sound the gate makes from his field to his stable. He is completely unpredictable and be a total laid back on the buckle ride or he can be shying at everything and you just don't know which character you are going to get. I gave up riding him some years ago as I just couldn't be doing with the stress of it. He is a happy, healthy field ornament with m,y retired mare. Saying that I

absolutely this. Nebo breeding. Useless as a riding horse but top of the class as a field ornament when my patience finally gave out.

he did however improve my sticking on a lot. Road to the top of a 4 ft bank by the side of the road executed sideways in 10 seconds flat. Excellent on 180 degree spins. Always interesting to think you were going for a ride in one direction to suddenly find you were going to opposite way.
Oh and terrified to go past a cat, but it was a different one to his cat that shared his stable. Excellent at walking through stable doors splitting the planks in half as he went.

 

[Wizpop]

Thanks everyone for your replies. The Broughton Stud chestnut does look amazing! It is the temperament that I’m after so could be a long search…..
Will have a look at the Gateway stud and see what theirs are like although I’m looking for something that’s already riding rather than a youngster- I’m too old for that now

 

[teach]

Have a look at Maesmynach Stud, horses are superb!!! Had my boy 6 years, does a bit of everything! Eric and Nicola are amazing that run/own it. Only issue is if you want an older/broken horse and mainly they only have youngsters for sale!

 

[Boulty]

Would say your best bet would be to find one that is already doing the job you’d like in a sensible manner.

I’m not massively into breeding other than that those with a lot of Nebo Black Magic in there can be quite sharp. (As I found to my cost… the orange one was a spooky idiot most of the time although also probably the most clever & talented pony I’ll ever own)

 

[dottylottie]

i’ve heard from a few people that thorneyside D’s tend to be more on the laid back side, and the one i know certainly is so laid back she’s horizontal!

 

[PSD]

I have had two partbred Nebo mares who have both been amazing but wanted a full D. Seventeen years ago I was looking for a new riding horse as had to retire my mare. Saw a full D gelding again Nebo breeding and bought him, he is stunning but I can honestly say I would never buy a pure bred D or a gelding again. He is nervous and having had him all this time he is still afraid of the sound the gate makes from his field to his stable. He is completely unpredictable and be a total laid back on the buckle ride or he can be shying at everything and you just don't know which character you are going to get. I gave up riding him some years ago as I just couldn't be doing with the stress of it. He is a happy, healthy field ornament with m,y retired mare. Saying that I know of a full D who is doing pretty well on the dressage scene. Good luck in finding what you are after.

interesting. My c is out of a nebo mare and he’s a bit of a prat!

 

[scats]

I have a partbred Welsh out of a Nebo mare and she can be an idiot if I’m honest. When that switch goes, she has no sense of self preservation.

 

[Steerpike]

There is the Spring Welsh Cob sale at Brecon on the 21st of May,it may give you an idea of what is around

 

[McFluff]

Mine has Derwen lines. Old fashioned chunky type, athletic and intelligent. Forward but safe. He can spook, but not sharply (I’m far from good, and he keeps me with him!).

 

[Crazy_cat_lady]

I'd have loved to know where mine originated from

Not a nasty bone in his body but my word the hysteria!

Would go perfectly sweetly through a lesson then decide a different coloured piece of sand was going to eat him.

Would walk past flytipping with just a bit of looking then slam the brakes on at a piece of mud on the road

His hair on the floor when I'd been trimming was terrifying

He'd scare himself when tied on the yard to the point he was banned from being tied there, as he'd almost look for something to spook at, snort, lean back and break the string, scaring himself more

Very careful jumper but destroyed my confidence as you never knew if he'd go over or not, especially fillers, or if the jump appearance changed. My only time I came off him was a tiny jump, albeit in a floodlit school, I committed, then he decided no top scary and swerved, I carried on. Decent scope and rarely had poles

A s*d to catch if he didn't approve of you. Had to be kept in a routine, or he'd almost lose the plot and be even harder to catch. Could display a cracking trot when legging it across the field!

When I described him when I called to insure him the lady said typical Welsh D!

I've given up horses now, but if I were to get another it wouldn't be a D! While some may find the idiocy amusing, there was many a time it made me want to pull my hair out and say why can't you just be normal! As it made everything just take longer and be more complicated than it needed to be because of dealing with the hysterics

Mine was incredibly nervous, possibly linked to having been bashed about when younger, was very head and ear shy, the vet suspected ear twitching. However I still think the general hysteria would have still been present

 

[Dontforgetaboutme]

mine has derwen replica and danaway flashjack in her and is 15.1hh more sporty type. Has welsh sense of humour but sensible soul. The little one has some derwen in her but is more typically welsh at 14.1hh stocky and is more opinionated. Didn’t set out to get another d but nothing measured up to riding one. Always owned a welsh of some type

 

[Wizpop]

Thanks everyonethis is all very helpful.

 

[millitiger]

I bought my lad from this stud, same sire as this boy.
Highly recommend, mine is just brilliant.

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[Gallop_Away]

Cynheidrefawr Stud breed very sensible welshies and they are a beautiful colour to boot. I am lucky enough to own one.



My mare's sire is crabbiesdien platinum, who is by Janton Dictator. Her dam is Cynheidrefawr Anwen and has a lot of classic Welsh bloodlines (nebo, Parc, Derwen).
I've never met such a level headed welshie as my mare. She has her moments but overall takes everything in her stride, brave out hacking and hunting, has a beautiful little pop on her over a fence and moves beautifully.
Dressage is not my thing but one of Platinum's sons is doing very well out in Europe and I believe competes to a high standard.

 

[dorsetladette]

I did start writing a long post of my opinion of welshies, but deleted it as feel it would be taken the wrong way by some.

I'm a welsh lover - I've only ever had welsh as my parents used to breed them. I've ridden other breeds and crosses over the years but nothing really compares.

I'd have a look at what is about in the sphere your looking to compete and their breeding. If you like the horse contact the breeder ask them what bloodlines they recommend, how they suggest you manage their horses, feed etc etc. at the end of the day the prefix on the ponies passport is an advertisement of the quality the ponies the stud produce - you would effectively be advertising their business. Breeders that really care will be happy to help and talk all day aboutt he thing they are proud of producing.

Good Luck on your hunt.

 

[Elf On A Shelf]

Our Gwynfaes lad is as laid back as they come. Nothing phases him. Only about 14.1hh though as all that line seems to be.

 

[Ddraig_wen]

Tymor Pele and Crygybar Mabon Mai are sensible lines. Gwynfaes as well (Culwch is by Mabon Mai) I've met several and own a couple. The full Ds and partbreds are trainable and sensible.
Seiont are sensible and trainable, Seiont Melfed is a cracking dressage horse after having a showing career.

Cynheidrefawr, Fronarth, Trofarth(some lines sharp some not), Bendyth (if you can get hold of one, they don't breed many).

Minyffordd lines too. I could go one all day lol, feel free to pm me if you want

 

[Elf On A Shelf]

Tymor Pele and Crygybar Mabon Mai are sensible lines. Gwynfaes as well (Culwch is by Mabon Mai) I've met several and own a couple. The full Ds and partbreds are trainable and sensible.
Seiont are sensible and trainable, Seiont Melfed is a cracking dressage horse after having a showing career.

Cynheidrefawr, Fronarth, Trofarth(some lines sharp some not), Bendyth (if you can get hold of one, they don't breed many).

Minyffordd lines too. I could go one all day lol, feel free to pm me if you want

Our Gwynfaes lad is out of a full sister to Culwch. He is a cracking, cracking pony.

 

[splashgirl45]

Hi- hoping for some words of wisdom on the above from you knowledgeable people out there!
im looking for a Section D for dressage up to elementary, hacking and clinics. I know that there is a big variation in temperament in the bloodlines and a tendency to quirkiness/ sharpness which I do not want as an older rider -I’m looking for one with the calm gene! I know that they exist as I owned one years ago, he had Fronarth / Nebo in his recent pedigree. So I’m wanting to know which bloodlines to look at and which to avoid; maybe I’m looking for the impossible but I have seen some advertised that sound sane enough. I’m also wanting 15.hh as I’ve got long legs so possibly chunky?
if any of you good people have any words of advice, I’d be very grateful

No words of wisdom but out of interest I looked on horsequest and found one that sounded the right sort for you , sorry can’t do links, am useless at techy stuff, ref no 306008 welshD gelding 12 years 15 hands , in east Anglia .. might be worth a look if not too far

 

[sbloom]

I love natives as a saddle fitter (I've specialised in them for my whole career) but just a little warning - a wide and deep ribcage is brilliant to take up the leg but if you have any tendency to sit behind your feet, or for your knees and toes to turn outwards, or any other reason to think you may have narrow hips, they may not be the best choice. Slightly narrower over the top can help a bit but overall ribcage width is important too. We ideally need to sit over our feet to best help our horse to carry us easily and to move correctly, but it's a challenge on wide horses.

 

[Crugeran Celt]

I'd have loved to know where mine originated from

Not a nasty bone in his body but my word the hysteria!

Would go perfectly sweetly through a lesson then decide a different coloured piece of sand was going to eat him.

Would walk past flytipping with just a bit of looking then slam the brakes on at a piece of mud on the road

His hair on the floor when I'd been trimming was terrifying

He'd scare himself when tied on the yard to the point he was banned from being tied there, as he'd almost look for something to spook at, snort, lean back and break the string, scaring himself more

Very careful jumper but destroyed my confidence as you never knew if he'd go over or not, especially fillers, or if the jump appearance changed. My only time I came off him was a tiny jump, albeit in a floodlit school, I committed, then he decided no top scary and swerved, I carried on. Decent scope and rarely had poles

A s*d to catch if he didn't approve of you. Had to be kept in a routine, or he'd almost lose the plot and be even harder to catch. Could display a cracking trot when legging it across the field!

When I described him when I called to insure him the lady said typical Welsh D!

I've given up horses now, but if I were to get another it wouldn't be a D! While some may find the idiocy amusing, there was many a time it made me want to pull my hair out and say why can't you just be normal! As it made everything just take longer and be more complicated than it needed to be because of dealing with the hysterics

Mine was incredibly nervous, possibly linked to having been bashed about when younger, was very head and ear shy, the vet suspected ear twitching. However I still think the general hysteria would have still been present

You could be describing mine.

 

[paddy555]

I'd have loved to know where mine originated from

Not a nasty bone in his body but my word the hysteria!

Would go perfectly sweetly through a lesson then decide a different coloured piece of sand was going to eat him.

Would walk past flytipping with just a bit of looking then slam the brakes on at a piece of mud on the road

His hair on the floor when I'd been trimming was terrifying

He'd scare himself when tied on the yard to the point he was banned from being tied there, as he'd almost look for something to spook at, snort, lean back and break the string, scaring himself more

Very careful jumper but destroyed my confidence as you never knew if he'd go over or not, especially fillers, or if the jump appearance changed. My only time I came off him was a tiny jump, albeit in a floodlit school, I committed, then he decided no top scary and swerved, I carried on. Decent scope and rarely had poles

A s*d to catch if he didn't approve of you. Had to be kept in a routine, or he'd almost lose the plot and be even harder to catch. Could display a cracking trot when legging it across the field!

When I described him when I called to insure him the lady said typical Welsh D!

I've given up horses now, but if I were to get another it wouldn't be a D! While some may find the idiocy amusing, there was many a time it made me want to pull my hair out and say why can't you just be normal! As it made everything just take longer and be more complicated than it needed to be because of dealing with the hysterics

Mine was incredibly nervous, possibly linked to having been bashed about when younger, was very head and ear shy, the vet suspected ear twitching. However I still think the general hysteria would have still been present

mine didn't have the excuse of your final para. but I can relate to everything else you have written.

 

[Reacher]

My current ridden horse is an unregistered welsh x - he is a fabulous horse, don’t know his breeding, wish I could clone him.