What action can i take againts the people that neglected my horse!!!

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I gave my horse to a friend when i lost my job for them to look after him and have some fun with. I checked on him regularly but i hadn't seen him for about 6 months at the start of this year and when i went so see him he was skin and bone. He's fine now and in better health than he ever has been, but i do not feel the ILPH or the RSPCA have done enough as the other horse i sold to these ppl is still there and is in a much worse condition. It took them a week to get up there and see him and because he had a body score of 1.5 and not 1 they wouldn't take him, in that week the lady was actually feeding him hay so he had put some weight on. My horse had a body score of 1 when i took him back and i have all the reports to say he was healthy just never fed. I want justice i dont think they should be allowed to have horses, and they still have the one i sold them, it's coming into winter and i just dont know what to do i'm really worried about him and dont know how to get a result.
 
Not too sure how much more you can do if the ILPH and RSPCA are already involved. Do you live near to keep an eye?
But I must say, visiting 6 monthly , I wouldnt count that as regular!
 
Sadly my experience with both those organisations is they won't do anything until the horse is days from death :( and while other smaller welfare groups may want to help, they just don't have the authority.

The best you can do is try and get the horse back.
 
LittleBlackMule said:
Sadly my experience with both those organisations is they won't do anything until the horse is days from death :( and while other smaller welfare groups may want to help, they just don't have the authority.

The best you can do is try and get the horse back.
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It is nothing to do with authority, unfortunately to get a vet to support on a case of neglect regarding body condition, they just don't tend to support unless the horse is a body score of 1, I know how upsetting that is, but it really is dependant on vet support. Do the organisations know about your horse which was a score of 1? Is there any veterinary and photographic evidence of it? If so give authorisation to the organisation (which ever one is dealing) to speak to your vet and see the photographs, they maybe able to do something on that, but if you don't have that evidence and the horse has now improved then you unfortunately only have your word to go on. With regard to the other horse, if the welfare organisations have seen it and it wasn't case worthy but was under condition they may have given an advisory notice or advise to improve it's condition, monitor the situation and if it deteriorates again, notify them.
 
Equus Leather said:
I think the onus is on you here, you should have been keeping more of an eye on your horse, even though it was on loan. It's your responsibility, not that of the RSPCA or WHW.
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Thanks for making me feel worse than i do he's fine now thanks to me! Thanks for your helpful comments on how to help me bring justice to people that did this to my horse! i had no money to even get to see him which was in the middle of nowhere and these people were my friends and had been looking after the other horse i had sold to them just fine, I have had death threats from these ppl and my life has been hell for some time and i'm still trying to bring them down, and who are you judge me some little **** with nothing better to do with your time i asked for help not judgment!!!

I am trying to get the other horse back but unfortunatly as they have him passport i cant just take him like i did, ILPH were disgusted and wanted to remove him but because the vet said he was 1.5 like you said they had to go on that and that is why he wasn't removed. I'm so worried now with it being winter again and really cant go there myself to check on him because of the threats! any other options NOT JUST NASTY PEOPLE WITH NOTHING BETTER TO DO would be appreciated!! :)
 
competitiondiva said:
It is nothing to do with authority, unfortunately to get a vet to support on a case of neglect regarding body condition, they just don't tend to support unless the horse is a body score of 1, I know how upsetting that is, but it really is dependant on vet support. Do the organisations know about your horse which was a score of 1? Is there any veterinary and photographic evidence of it? If so give authorisation to the organisation (which ever one is dealing) to speak to your vet and see the photographs, they maybe able to do something on that, but if you don't have that evidence and the horse has now improved then you unfortunately only have your word to go on. With regard to the other horse, if the welfare organisations have seen it and it wasn't case worthy but was under condition they may have given an advisory notice or advise to improve it's condition, monitor the situation and if it deteriorates again, notify them.
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I have all the reports lots of photos the ILPH were given everything, but nothing has been done and like i said the other horse is still there and he is probably worse now.
 
Berry and Des said:
any other options NOT JUST NASTY PEOPLE WITH NOTHING BETTER TO DO would be appreciated!! :)
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Buy the horse back or inform WHW or RSPCA. You are mistaken if you think people are being nasty. They are being truthful. The horse you own is your responsibility not your friends and you should have been looking out for him. I understand that you may not have been able to do this because of your job and money situation but unfortunately that does not make you any less liable for his good health while in care of others.
 
Equus Leather said:
I think the onus is on you here, you should have been keeping more of an eye on your horse, even though it was on loan. It's your responsibility, not that of the RSPCA or WHW.
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Thats beside the point, said person should have been looking after the horse, would you say the same if it was her own horse she was neglecting?
 
They wont sell him they believe he is fine same as they were screaming at me when i was taking my boy that he was fine. I saw him every three months before this winter just gone where i couldn't get up, he was up there for nearly two years and was fine until this winter so i had no reson not to trust them. I hate explaining myself to pll that i dont know i saw him as often as i could and he was always fine until may this year where i immediatly took him back. The ILPH dont get back to me when i have asked about the other horse i have e-mailed and called and text the person i was dealing wit and i have had no updat on the horse they promised they would keep an eye on and i cannot check myself for my own safety!
 
There is a picture of Des and Johnny in my pictures you can see the bay in the back ground and his whole spine. Where Johnny was healthy like Des (just starved) it took the ILPH a week to get to him after i took my horse and the lady had been feeding him hay and he had put a tiny amount of weight on! The man from the ILPH wanted to take him but the vet didn't i have emailed them requesting an update called and text but i have herd nothing!!! :(
 
If the WHW were worried about the state of the horse but couldn't do anything due to lack of veterinary support then they will monitor the situation (I would check to see if the RSPCA have been informed though as you seem to have mentioned the WHW being involved but nothing about RSPCA, just that WHW do not bring prosecutions, the RSPCA seem to be the only charity to do this, WHW will usually bring in the RSPCA when they have a case), but if an advisory notice or any advise was given then the owner/person responsible needs to be given sufficient time to rectify the situation, also with regard to keeping you informed about the other horse, due to data protection they may not be able to give you all the details you want, it is no longer your horse so as far as you are concerned in that horse you are the informant, trust the welfare organisations when it comes to these situations, they will act with the best interest of the animal at heart but are restricted by the law. And if you try to take it back yourself then you will only get yourself in trouble with the law for theft.
 
They stayed away from me when i took Des i could have killed them! but i have had so many threats from men and women because i cared about the other horse i cant go there myself they're quite intimidating, they have lots of land and threatened to bury me on it several times, i just dont want them to have any horses ever!
 
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competitiondiva said:
If the WHW were worried about the state of the horse but couldn't do anything due to lack of veterinary support then they will monitor the situation (I would check to see if the RSPCA have been informed though as you seem to have mentioned the WHW being involved but nothing about RSPCA, just that WHW do not bring prosecutions, the RSPCA seem to be the only charity to do this, WHW will usually bring in the RSPCA when they have a case), but if an advisory notice or any advise was given then the owner/person responsible needs to be given sufficient time to rectify the situation, also with regard to keeping you informed about the other horse, due to data protection they may not be able to give you all the details you want, it is no longer your horse so as far as you are concerned in that horse you are the informant, trust the welfare organisations when it comes to these situations, they will act with the best interest of the animal at heart but are restricted by the law. And if you try to take it back yourself then you will only get yourself in trouble with the law for theft.
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The RSPCA went conbined with the WHW and the vet, but i never had any real contact with them. WHW came to see my horse and were really good but i just want to know he is ok they said if they were to take him i could see him etc, WHW wanted to but it was the lack of vetinary support that prevented them taking him! They just haven't got back to me and i hate thinking he's just there rotting! :(
 
Berry and Des said:
They stayed away from me when i took Des i could have killed them! but i have had so many threats from men and women because i cared about the other horse i cant go there myself they're quite intimidating, they have lots of land and threatened to bury me on it several times, i just dont want them to have any horses ever!
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This says it all. This isn't so much about doing the right thing by the horses, it is about you having revenge on these people.
You have reported it, the horses have been seen. You have done all you can do. Now you need to leave it and concentrate on looking after the horse you have.
 
It's tough, but he's not your horse. (Some people were talking about you putting the horses on loan, but you didn't did you?). WHW and RSPCA can only take the horse if a vet agrees that the horse's condition warrants it being removed. In some cases they will talk to the owner about improving the care and monitor the situation. I wouldn't have thought that both RSPCA and WHW will be involved, they normally stay out of the way if the other is already dealing with the case. If the horse has food and water it can get very difficult to have them removed, so that is going to be part of the problem.
All you can do is keep an eye on things as best you can (just as if this was a horse you didn't know) and ring either WHW or RSPCA, whoever is dealing, and get updates from them.
Just a comment, the tone of your posts is very indignant and you are sort of blaming the welfare agencies. When you speak to them it wouldn't be a great idea to get stroppy with them, they are restricted in what they can do by law. If you keep it friendly they will be much more informative I'm sure.
 
"The other horse is no longer yours,so why you interfering? You should let WHW take care of it. If horse was that bad,they would of removed it."

As suggested by the poster I have had a look at her album. The horse is in shocking condition.

Im sorry I cannot offer you any costructive advice (could try publicising the plight of the horse and the lack of action by agencies involved). I really feel for you.
 
I wasn't being nasty, I was being truthful. The horse I have is on loan to me and has been for a long time, but her owner still makes regular trips and I email photos all the time so she can see what condition she is in. If the horse was still 'yours' but being cared for by someone else, you are still responsible for ensuring the horse is receiving the care is needs. However, if you gave the horse away, thus losing all ownership of the animal, then it is your friend that has to account for the horses welfare.

It is now up to the relevant authorities and vets involved to either take it further or not. If they deem it's not an action taking situation, they may well be monitoring the horse and the owner.

You mention that relations have broken down between yourself and your friend, with words and threats having been had. I understand you are upset by the situation, but if you jump on people in the inflammatory way you have jumped on me tonight then I can see why the relationship is no longer amicable.

I hope the horses involved are cared for.
 
Berry and Des said:
I gave my horse to a friend when i lost my job for them to look after him and have some fun with. I checked on him regularly but i hadn't seen him for about 6 months at the start of this year and when i went so see him he was skin and bone. He's fine now and in better health than he ever has been, but i do not feel the ILPH or the RSPCA have done enough as the other horse i sold to these ppl is still there and is in a much worse condition. It took them a week to get up there and see him and because he had a body score of 1.5 and not 1 they wouldn't take him, in that week the lady was actually feeding him hay so he had put some weight on. My horse had a body score of 1 when i took him back and i have all the reports to say he was healthy just never fed. I want justice i dont think they should be allowed to have horses, and they still have the one i sold them, it's coming into winter and i just dont know what to do i'm really worried about him and dont know how to get a result.
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Why did you let that person have your horse? What checks did you do? Your horse, maybe ultimately your responsibility??
 
I too am guilty of putting my pony on loan to a friend many years ago. Luckily for me, he was in good condition but was completely hammered & thrown back at me when my baby was 24 hours old due to deep digital flexor tendon strain!!

I had no reason not to trust her as I had been in the same yard when her own horse was alive & she was treated like a princess and wanted for nothing.

Sadly that was NOT the case for my lad but I stupidly (maybe?) had seen how well she looked after her own & thought that would be the case when she had my boy on loan.

Three weeks before his injury, she was begging me to sell him to her but couldn't offload him quick enough when he went lame :(

You are NOT to blame for what has happened, they have had them for 2 years (think that's what I read?) Also, you would hope that as friends they would have contacted you if their circumstances had changed & they could no longer afford to feed them (if that's the case?) I cannot understand why someone would let these animals get into this state, so can only assume they had financial difficulties?

I have looked at your photo's and agree the pictures speak volumes sadly :(

I can also fully understand why you are worried about the other horse, what a terrible shock for you and also to feel so helpless.

I have direct experience with the RSPCA re a case very similar to this (law may have changed now as it was many years ago) they weren't able to act due to them having to prove that it was neglect rather than ignorance on the owners part for letting them get into this state!!

Maybe they can't liase with you re this case as it is ongoing and they can't jeopordise (sp?) telling anyone anything whilst it's ongoing. They will be watching this horse like a hawk though so try not to worry.

Hugs to you & the horses xx
 
I can not beleave that anyone wether they owned a horse or not would not be concerned about a horse with a condition score of 1 or 1.5.
I have reported people to the RSPCA about the condition of their animals and I had no personal interest in the animals at all. Over this winter there could be lots in a bad way.
Whilist they have food and water however little the RSPCA will do nothing as they tend only to do something when they are at deaths door.
If these people are aggresive to you, they will think you should mind your own buisness, is there no one else who can moniter him for you?
I would be as upset as you, unfortuately people do lie and where horses are concerned seem never want to admit they are in the wrong. I would try to keep away in case you get accused of stalking, but perhaps getting the local BHS welfare officer involved.
This may not be a good idea but if they are on Facebook is there any way of linking pictures of the horses to their page. Perhaps a bit of peer pressure?
Good luck and hugs.
 
honetpot said:
This may not be a good idea but if they are on Facebook is there any way of linking pictures of the horses to their page. Perhaps a bit of peer pressure?
Good luck and hugs.
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Ohhh. Facebook vigilantism - good call. It may libellous, slanderous and commit a number of criminal offences of harassment too but yes, why not whip up a lynch mob with only half the information.
 
honetpot said:
I can not beleave that anyone wether they owned a horse or not would not be concerned about a horse with a condition score of 1 or 1.5.
I have reported people to the RSPCA about the condition of their animals and I had no personal interest in the animals at all. Over this winter there could be lots in a bad way.
Whilist they have food and water however little the RSPCA will do nothing as they tend only to do something when they are at deaths door.
If these people are aggresive to you, they will think you should mind your own buisness, is there no one else who can moniter him for you?
I would be as upset as you, unfortuately people do lie and where horses are concerned seem never want to admit they are in the wrong. I would try to keep away in case you get accused of stalking, but perhaps getting the local BHS welfare officer involved.
This may not be a good idea but if they are on Facebook is there any way of linking pictures of the horses to their page. Perhaps a bit of peer pressure?
Good luck and hugs.
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Well here's an anti rspca take!! Just to fill you in, it seems the WHW have investigated this, as they suspected a case they called in the rspca with a vet to examine the horse remaining, the vet would not support a case therefore the organisations have no lawful reason to seize the horse, they have to therefore give the owner/person responsible time to rectify the situation. It is not a case of the rspca not getting involved until a horse is at deaths door, it is a case that without a vet to support they can't do anything else legally, except give advise and an improvement notice.

With regard to your (the OP) future involvement, please try to keep out of things, don't put yourself at anymore risk if threats have been issued. Any involvement could jepordise (sp?) any case that may be able to occur in the future, and please do not as above suggested drill up a facebook lynch mob, this will not help anything....... By all means contact your BHS welfare officer but they will not get involved if the situation is already under investigation.
 
the watcher said:
This says it all. This isn't so much about doing the right thing by the horses, it is about you having revenge on these people.
You have reported it, the horses have been seen. You have done all you can do. Now you need to leave it and concentrate on looking after the horse you have.
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How can you just leave it when there is another horse there still in an awful condition? My horse is just fine and i have no need to worry about him but i do have cause to worry about the one thats left!
 
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