what biasses have you experienced showing appaloosas????

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today i was talking to a girl on my yard about showing our horses this year, she had a piebald (v pretty) and has done very well in hand showing so i was asking advice and opinions about my filly. she sniggered at me and said i shouldnt be entering her ina coloured class because she is spotty and only REAL coloured should be in it! :mad::mad::mad::mad:
there are no appaloosa classes in the area that are small enough for her to start with. and i know appaloosas can enter them.
she told me a judge would probably not pick her out because of the fact she is not coloured and alot of the other owners of coloureds probably will not like me taking part in THEIR class!:mad::mad::mad:

i was alittle offended but i spoke to a friend and she says that this does happen alot in a show enviroment????
is this true? should i take it to heart?

has anyone been through anything like this showing there appies? so i can be ready for it when we blow them out of the water and win the COLOURED class:D
thank you for reading xx
 
Whenever I took Koko showing we would win or come 2nd every time, and a good friend of ours had a lovely appy who she also shows and he's won countless championships in coloured classes. Just be careful though because some classes will state in the schedule that it does not include appys, but these are the minority.

Best of luck though :)
 
i had one bad experience a few years ago. my gelding came first in a coloured class (he was the only appy in it) :):):):) i was so proud! on the way out of the ring a woman who also entered with a beautiful coloured started shouting and balling at one of the judges calling it a total travesty and out of order that an appaloosa won the class when it is not classed as a coloured! :mad: i could of slapped her! lol had to laugh though she didnt even place so she wouldnt have won anyway :p:p:p

dont worry about people like that some people feel if there horses dont win it is everyone elses fault. the girl on your yard is probably over exaggerating a little although there is people like that.
just go to have fun and not to win anything, and if you do win or place think of it as a bonus, and also think of it as your appy beat all the COLOUREDS in their own class! :D:D:D
 
You cannot show appy's in coloured classes, you can show them in coloured and spotted classes. If you are just wanting a a little in hand class to start off with, why not try, handsome hoirse/pretty pony? Then when you feel that you are both ready you can enter bigger, more 'proper' classes :) Be prepared for judges to not be too keen on very spotted horses, they are quite difficult to judge, as to 'see' the conformation behind the spots takes more effort than most judges are prepared to put in. I would suggest that you have a look at the BAPS shows, they tend to be very friendly and the judges are comparing like with like. :D Good luck and when you are ready to do ridden classes, those which are judged on your riding and the horses manners will be ideal :D
 
In last showing comp with Row. there was this guy watching and he was the partner of this woman with a coloured who was also in the class. The judge took a liking to Row and placed him first. The guy was apparently moaning that Rowan shouldnt be in the class cos he's not a true coloured.
I think people are just jealous cos appaloosas are so gorgeous ;)
 
I had my Appiano 20+ years ago and we never suffered for his colour, maybe because classes weren't split so much as they are nowadays.

If the schedules say that spotted/appy's are eligible, then you stand as good a chance as anybody else.

Go for it I say :).
 
i cant enter BAPS classes apparently, or so i was told when i got her passport, as the stallion that was used was registered with them but not a licensed stallion with them, so she can only be placed on an annex register, so although she is a pure bred with years and years of history, because he is not licensed she is bumped down to an annex register :( apparently this mean i can not enter her in appaloosa classes with the BAPS :mad: was very annoyed when they told me that. and also because she is on it, if she has a foal in the future, that will automatically go on the annex register too :(:(:(:(:(

i still love her to pieces and would never swap her for the world but it is alittle disappointing especially after what i paid for her because of her breeding ect
 
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Appys can compete in colored classes at local level. You see them all the time. Most shows now put on a Spotted and Palomino class that seems to be popular. I know there are a fair few around here that do them.

I cant see the reason why they cont go into colored classes as technically they are not of solid colour :)

Nikki :)
 
YD, check that out with BAPS, as my understanding is that the rules about registration have changed/ However you can show animals on the annex register in BAPS classes. The Northern show is in August, at Osbaledeston, even if you decide not to take your horse this year, do go and have a look and a chat, some of the most informative and helpful people you could wish to meet. I am hoping to take my mare to compete there this year :)
 
Many local shows will allow appys, however make sure as in some show schedules they may state no appys. Our local shows allow appys and palominos I think. I would not have thought that appys are allowed to compete higher than local level in coloured classes as they are not of solid colour....but I have no idea about showing so may be wrong?
 
Alot of shows have introduced what they call 'odd coloured classes' for things like roans, duns, palimnoes. I entered my daughters dun pony into it and done well. I cant remember but appys may be able to enter into those!:)
 
Rude!!! :( I've entered my boy in coloured classes as 'coloured' is what he is!! Never had any problems, and always done well as he is so stunning. I would just go for it, each show will have its individual rules, so if the rules allow then go for it! ignore haters ( they are just jealous!) I did have one lady say to me that she didnt like appys and that he was ugly! UGLY!! I had to bite my tounge and say 'each to their own!' and walked off!!
 
I have an Appaloosa cross and he is Solid Bright Bay, yet as he is a registered Appaloosa with the Appaloosa Society I can show him in Appaloosa classes,

no different from competing a coloured appy in a coloured class, as after all they are coloured!

Obviously I couldnt lol although there are a lot of solid coloured appy's about that compete in appy classes against the spotty ones and I havent heard of anyone complaining!

I think its great appaloosa'a can compete in coloured classes! At local level what else are they meant to go in?
 
I'd just check the rules - give the show secretary a ring if you're not sure.

And the colour of the girl on your yard's face. Was it a little green with envy perhaps?
 
I show my piebald in local coloured classes and most of them include palomino, dun and spotted. The last show we were at, there was a lady with a gorgeous dun youngster in the coloured class and the judge chucked them out because he didn't think they were eligible for the class, and the steward had to go and whisper in his ear that the schedule said duns were allowed. He invited them back in and they ended up winning the class. :) If the schedule says it includes spotties, then you have just as much right to be there as anyone else!
 
I have entered all the coloured classes on my dun and have done quite well so go for it. I had a few people saying he shouldnt be there but the schedules all said piebald skewbald dun roan palamino and apaloosas, admittedly these were only local shows. Also look out for the odd coloured classes sometimes they are split but not always.
 
This is the problem with showing - it attracts alot of nasty, jealous people who don't like competition. If I were you I'd enter a few classes and see how you get on, a friend has a really nice homebred spotty that has done really, really well in local coloured classes and has also been placed in sport horse classes at county level. Good luck!!
 
I always thought coloured classes were for piebald and skewbald horses only... Jeez I remember when you were looked down on for owning one. mine were always coloured as they were cheap as chips for the above reason.. How things change eh
 
Don't take any notice of the strictlies as I say - if it say's coloureds and spotted allowed, the coloureds AND spotteds are allowed. Mine always places. He's a part-bred and I get more looks in the hunter classes than I do the coloureds so hey, it's a free world last I checked so go forth and be spotty!!!!!!!! lol!!! :D:D:D:D
 
rowy said:
I think people are just jealous cos appaloosas are so gorgeous ;)
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I completely agree with this! ;) I haven't done any showing with my Appy so I can't offer any advice... think I might give it a go now though as I wonder what they would say about my Appy not being 'coloured'. (He is marked like a normal Skewbald Horse at the front but has spots at the back!) He is actually classed as a Skewbald Appaloosa! :D :p
 
I know that at our local shows Appys are allowed in the coloured class if they don't have a separate class. Appys seem to be quite controversial in the show ring and out, some people seem to dislike them strongly! I have to face this for the first time this year when we show our appaloosa in the coloured class to get him out and about. It infuriates me when you see appys at the bottom of the line when if all the horses were bay, they would be a far better example than some of the horses placed above it. People seem to struggle to see the horse under the spots. Personally, I Love 'em!
 
Lots of biases! Noone has EVER given a valid fair reason to put ours down the line at local level showing however. I think it is largely down to judges just disliking spots,sadly. We've had remarks like "doesn't move well" or " didn't trot out properly"...
What makes me mad though is the fact the very same horse with the above comments was champion at the now defunct Cheltenham show,and was 5th more recently at Royal Windsor after a couple of years out of showing due to illness(mine not his) in affiliated Appaloosa classes.
My best advise is to go and enjoy your horse for who he is, and ignore stupid biases.If the horse does what YOU want and need him to, surely at the end of the day that matters more than one person's opinion on one day of the year!
 
A good horse is never a bad colour and most judges I have experienced will look past colour and reward a good horse. Sometimes (and I'm trying to word this in the nicest possible way
) owners can look at their horses through rose tinted glasses and will refuse to acknowledge that if their horse was bay or chestnut and not spotty it would be rather average.

Now before all the appaloosa owners jump on me from a great height, I own and show an appaloosa as a small hunter/ riding horse at affiliated level. She is wonderful but she will never progress to county level because she is just outclassed which has nothing to do with her colour but she has had some really good results and compliments from some very well respected judges.
 
SmallHunter said:
A good horse is never a bad colour and most judges I have experienced will look past colour and reward a good horse. Sometimes (and I'm trying to word this in the nicest possible way
) owners can look at their horses through rose tinted glasses and will refuse to acknowledge that if their horse was bay or chestnut and not spotty it would be rather average.

Now before all the appaloosa owners jump on me from a great height, I own and show an appaloosa as a small hunter/ riding horse at affiliated level. She is wonderful but she will never progress to county level because she is just outclassed which has nothing to do with her colour but she has had some really good results and compliments from some very well respected judges.
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hehe, i think all of us look at our 'babies' threw rose tinted glasses! they can do no wrong! :D
 
I can give an example of real bias though. In the seventies my nan owned and competed an Appaloosa gelding called Double Six he was 3 times Reserve National Appaloosa Champion so a good example of the breed:D She was at a show and had competed in the Ridden Appaloosa class and come 2nd to a stallion named Klaus who I think was National Appaloosa Champion 7 or 11 times I'm not sure. So my nan and Klaus's rider took them into the championship and were promptly asked to leave the ring as Appaloosa's were not allowed in the championship.
 
My spotty has always been placed at the bottom of the line, for purely not liking spotties, apparently. :mad::eek:
 
FestiveG said:
YD, check that out with BAPS, as my understanding is that the rules about registration have changed/ However you can show animals on the annex register in BAPS classes. The Northern show is in August, at Osbaledeston, even if you decide not to take your horse this year, do go and have a look and a chat, some of the most informative and helpful people you could wish to meet. I am hoping to take my mare to compete there this year :)
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thank you i will defo go down. i dont think she will be ready for something that big by then, i want to take it slow with her. but you never know xx
 
Lurky McLurker said:
I show my piebald in local coloured classes and most of them include palomino, dun and spotted. The last show we were at, there was a lady with a gorgeous dun youngster in the coloured class and the judge chucked them out because he didn't think they were eligible for the class, and the steward had to go and whisper in his ear that the schedule said duns were allowed. He invited them back in and they ended up winning the class. :) If the schedule says it includes spotties, then you have just as much right to be there as anyone else!
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:D:D:D i bet he/she felt a little embarrassed :D:D aw good so glad it won after all that :)
 
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