what biasses have you experienced showing appaloosas????

As everyone else is doing pictures I shall join in:D

My mare B
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pip6 said:
So how would a judge mark a pintalosa (sorry if spelling is wrong)? It has coloured patches, they just happen to be made up of spots. I don't understand why spooties aren't coloureds & it is accepted that they are marked down purely for 'colour' reasons. Many things have been written in the past, doesn't make them right so why is it accepted now? Surely the only difference between a spotty & coloured is the size of the patches of colour/white?
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That is perfectly true. There is little difference other than the shape of the markings.

What some people are trying to explain is that this isn't the choice of the judges.

The judges follow the rules set down by chaps (Coloured Horse and Pony Society) who state that a spottie does not count as a coloured. I've even found the webpage where it states this: http://www.chapsuk.com/aboutus.asp

CHAPS are the governing society who decide what a coloured horse and what it isn't. To qualify to enter a coloured class, even at local level, a horse has to be 'coloured'. As it stands, spotties are not. Until CHAPS change the rules, judges have to abide by them.

If the people on this post REALLY want to make a difference, then they should stop blaming the judges and deal with the issue at its source. Put your opinions and questions to CHAPS as they, not the judges, have the ability to change these things.

If spotties become accepted in affiliated coloured classes, this will instantly change things at local level.
 
MissSBird said:
That is perfectly true. There is little difference other than the shape of the markings.

What some people are trying to explain is that this isn't the choice of the judges.

The judges follow the rules set down by chaps (Coloured Horse and Pony Society) who state that a spottie does not count as a coloured. I've even found the webpage where it states this: http://www.chapsuk.com/aboutus.asp

CHAPS are the governing society who decide what a coloured horse and what it isn't. To qualify to enter a coloured class, even at local level, a horse has to be 'coloured'. As it stands, spotties are not. Until CHAPS change the rules, judges have to abide by them.

If the people on this post REALLY want to make a difference, then they should stop blaming the judges and deal with the issue at its source. Put your opinions and questions to CHAPS as they, not the judges, have the ability to change these things.

If spotties become accepted in affiliated coloured classes, this will instantly change things at local level.
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CHAPS are the governing society who decide what a coloured horse and what it isn't. To qualify to enter a coloured class, even at local level, a horse has to be 'coloured'. As it stands, spotties are not. Until CHAPS change the rules, judges have to abide by them

Sorry you are incorrect Chaps has no jurisdiction over local unaffilated shows, it is up to the show and judge on the day!
and as Chaps and the BSPA are not up to speed on new colour genes in many breeds our own TB for instance with the new genes of Dominant white DW and they are not Overos so therefore they are out in the cold as well!

I know as I have bred one and owned one they can be all white stained white or just displaced white as my youngster is.


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my homebred now sold carring DW mutation from his dam


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this is DW at Tatts sales last year

this FB page shows so many difent horses that any UK UK colour society would not be able to describe!

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Colou...rs-Association/110599812340219?v=photos&so=15
 
Sorry you are incorrect Chaps has no jurisdiction over local unaffilated shows, it is up to the show and judge on the day!



Sorry I've not made myself quite clear. Was somewhat following on from a previous post.

All judges follow general rules when judging regarding the correct type for that class. Even at local level competitors expect a certain level of knowledge, as many of the complaints about local show judges illustrate.

If I were judging an m&m class, for example, even if it was not affiliated to any society I would still refer to the breed standards and rules to judge if a pony was a good or a bad example of its breed. If I didn't it might as well be the hairy pony that isn't plaited class.

The same concept applies for coloured classes. To judge them correctly, even at local level, you must have a basic understanding of what the class before you should look like. Therefore if the class says 'coloured horse' you expect to have before you what is defined as a coloured horse in the showing world. As it stands it is CHAPS who controls this definition, the same way the BCPS controls the definition of a good connemara pony. Even though the show may not be affiliated, the definition still affects the class. Obviously if the secretary chooses to step away from this definition then the class is altered, and judging has to be altered too.

How much a judge sticks to this definition is entirely up to them at local level. But hopefully this helps explain why there seems to be so much bias against spotties in coloured classes, even at local level. The judges arn't incorrect in doing so.

Love your pony by the way. I don't really grasp the complexities of coloured genetics, but whatever he counts as, he's absolutely gorgeous!
 
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The pony is a 7/8th Tb yearling colt by a 16.3hh piebald splash carrier out of a pure TB 16.1hh DW carrier he has been sold to do top Eventing as he was bred with superb event bloodlines.
Thanks
 
Heres some of mine...

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Freckles (Centuar Summer Storm) who I used to show in the UK) with her 2010 foal.

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and with the foal Harley... now a 4 year old stallion and who is now full leopard

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Harley now...

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Ticky and Apache
 
finnywinny said:
Kateandspotlight - your horse looks totally stunning - any chance of posting some bigger pics???

I own an amazingly handsome 17.2 "boring bay" warmblood - I think he's the most stunning horse. So much so that now he's 20 and needs a quieter life I went pony shopping for another younger one as similar as possible....and definately a gelding....Long story short I'm now the proud owner of a fantastic spotty MARE!!! Not becasue she was spotty but because she is wonderfully sane and safe (I'm not a brave rider) and can turn her (stripey) hooves to so many things - so I'm smitten. But the spots were an unexpected bonus X
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Thank you very much :D I think he is the most gorgeous horse, but then again I am VERY bias! haha!

This is us on sunday
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Coming 3rd in the Condition and Turnout class
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Ready to ride!
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Sexy :)
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I could keep adding photos all night! :)
 
Not an appaloosa but here is my spotted part bred arab miniature stallion. He is registered with IMHPS and the AHS.

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His colour is stated as Chocolate Buckskin Spotting Out on his IMHPS passport but the AHS won't recognise that as a colour so he is listed as Black! You can plainly see that he isn't black!!!

I have shown him in an open coloured and spotted class (against big horses) at unaffiliated level (his 1st time out) and he won. Last year I did an affiliated show with him (his 2nd time out) and he won the spotted class (and 2 other classes - the blue rosette is Res Champ :o) ).

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Get in the ring with your horses, if the judge doesn't like your horse take it on the chin and don't go under them again, if they do great - go under them again :o))
 
I have taken my spottie baby pony (who is in my sig) showing a few times and she has been placed each time, only at local level though.

Shes almost grown up now so will hopefully be a dressage superstar or mini event horse so can give showing a miss again :p
 
Just a quick question - would I be able to register my boy with the AHS as a Part-Bred even though I don't know his breeding history? He has obvious Appaloosa Characteristics such as mottled skin around his muzzle and 'Appaloosa eyes'!
 
KateandSpotlight said:
freckles
ur horses are stunning :D
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thank you, I was just thinking the same about yours...he reminds me of Freckles when she was younger, with the dark muzzle... do you know his breeding..? he is rather scrummy

here are a few more of mine..


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Freckles foal... Amethyst (this summer)

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Moonshine...we bred him, and hes now in the uK with my daughter...

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Kimera... this was taken 4 years ago though...

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and Freckles again... i love this photo of her...
 
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SnowJumping Superstars said:
Just a quick question - would I be able to register my boy with the AHS as a Part-Bred even though I don't know his breeding history? He has obvious Appaloosa Characteristics such as mottled skin around his muzzle and 'Appaloosa eyes'!
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If you don't know his breeding history then how do you know he's a part bred arab? To be eligable for AHS registration he would need to be at least 12 1/2% arab and that arab must be registered with the AHS.
 
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kateandspotlight and freckles - both yours are totally utterly gorgeous. Its a shame I'm hopeless at computer stuff or else I would post a pic of my blanket spotty Knab.

Before i owned a spotty I used to wonder if one would ever get bored of the spots after time, or the novelty would wear off - it doesn't does it - they just grow more beautiful everyday... XXX
 
SnowJumping Superstars said:
Just a quick question - would I be able to register my boy with the AHS as a Part-Bred even though I don't know his breeding history? He has obvious Appaloosa Characteristics such as mottled skin around his muzzle and 'Appaloosa eyes'!
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you can register with BAPs but as a part bred. as long as he shows clear signs and traits of appaloosa characteristics then they will reg him as a part bred xx
 
At the shows we put on, Spottys are judged alongside the coloureds, and if their confo, behaviour etc is the best, they win. All too often however, we see poor quality spottys at our shows leaving the ring remarking they were down the line because of their spots, when it was nothing at all to do with that. It is very easy to blame your horse's colour for not doing well as of course everyone thinks their horse is perfect and deserves to win or be placed higher than they actually are.

Yes, there is some prejudice out there with regards to coat colour, but the simple fact is that there are a lot of bad examples of spots/coloureds that are shown because the owners think they are perfect, when in fact they are not, and the coat colour then blamed for them not doing well - and this isn't just limited to spotty/coloured owners either. I've heard owners of chestnuts moan because the judge likes bays and visa versa

If the horse conforms to 'type' (I saw a lovely spotty at the Suffolk Show a few years ago doing very well in the sporthorse class) then most judges will place them accordingly.
 
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i agree about conformation being the reason for judging or not being placed. but i hear things like " the appaloosa was to hard to judge properly because of all its spots ext, so could some of it be they can not be bothered to look properly and more at the said spotty because it is too much effort. even if the conformation is good "apparently" the spots disorientate them and make it harder to judge.

is this true? and i hope that made sense :confused:
 
Yorkshire dumpling said:
today i was talking to a girl on my yard about showing our horses this year, she had a piebald (v pretty) and has done very well in hand showing so i was asking advice and opinions about my filly. she sniggered at me and said i shouldnt be entering her ina coloured class because she is spotty and only REAL coloured should be in it! :mad::mad::mad::mad:
there are no appaloosa classes in the area that are small enough for her to start with. and i know appaloosas can enter them.
she told me a judge would probably not pick her out because of the fact she is not coloured and alot of the other owners of coloureds probably will not like me taking part in THEIR class!:mad::mad::mad:

i was alittle offended but i spoke to a friend and she says that this does happen alot in a show enviroment????
is this true? should i take it to heart?

has anyone been through anything like this showing there appies? so i can be ready for it when we blow them out of the water and win the COLOURED class:D
thank you for reading xx
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the green eyed girl spoke to me again today while at the yard. i was practising for our in hand shows this year and her beady eyes were strongly focused in on me.
" you filly is to bouncy wen she trots you know" :mad:
she isnt bouncy she is very floaty and extends her legs and looks absolutely beautiful when she trots (almost araby in the way she carries herself when she moves) been told she has good conformation and wonderful paces before from a lady who used to judge a few years ago.
followed by..." she has too longer neck and her tail is far to short! she has un even markings and her face isnt pretty enough!!!!!!!!!!!!" NOT PRETTY ENOUGH!
clutching at straws maybe? lol as for the "un even markings"... well OMG!!! appys have fine tails and because she is only young it is only just past her Gaskin and above her hock. she isnt in proportion yet as she is 19 months old so she looks like a giraffe with a giant head! lol but she is getting there.
i am starting to think she is very very jealous:D:D:D
 
freckles22uk said:
thank you, I was just thinking the same about yours...he reminds me of Freckles when she was younger, with the dark muzzle... do you know his breeding..? he is rather scrummy

here are a few more of mine..



Thanks :D no not really, but I do need to find out a bit more..... :)

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Me trying to eat him.... :D

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Yorkshire dumpling said:
the green eyed girl spoke to me again today while at the yard. i was practising for our in hand shows this year and her beady eyes were strongly focused in on me.
" you filly is to bouncy wen she trots you know" :mad:
she isnt bouncy she is very floaty and extends her legs and looks absolutely beautiful when she trots (almost araby in the way she carries herself when she moves) been told she has good conformation and wonderful paces before from a lady who used to judge a few years ago.
followed by..." she has too longer neck and her tail is far to short! she has un even markings and her face isnt pretty enough!!!!!!!!!!!!" NOT PRETTY ENOUGH!
clutching at straws maybe? lol as for the "un even markings"... well OMG!!! appys have fine tails and because she is only young it is only just past her Gaskin and above her hock. she isnt in proportion yet as she is 19 months old so she looks like a giraffe with a giant head! lol but she is getting there.
i am starting to think she is very very jealous:D:D:D
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Oh my god, she needs to get out more!! I'd be like, yes thanks for your input but can you go away so I can concentrate on what I'm doing, your negative engery isnt good for my horse! :D
I def think she is very jealous and obviously needs to put others down to feel good about herself!! keep ur spotty head held high!! :D
 
KateandSpotlight your appaloosa is a lovely looking horse, lucky you.
Yorkshire Dumpling yours are beautiful too.... I have PM'd you again regarding
the parents and the ApHC (USA).
Jenny in Spain has beautiful horses too, and she is quite photogenic herself, another lucky girl. (Don't get me wrong I am not into other women just used to be a professional photographer!).
Betta get to bed me thinks can't get used to going back to work after the Xmas break!!! :(
 
SuenRoux said:
KateandSpotlight your appaloosa is a lovely looking horse, lucky you.
Yorkshire Dumpling yours are beautiful too.... I have PM'd you again regarding
the parents and the ApHC (USA).
Jenny in Spain has beautiful horses too, and she is quite photogenic herself, another lucky girl. (Don't get me wrong I am not into other women just used to be a professional photographer!).
Betta get to bed me thinks can't get used to going back to work after the Xmas break!!! :(
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Hiya Sue,

Got my newletter last week, great as ever, and its been passed around here for everyone to read...lol

hope all is well over there....

Jen
 
Just remember the more faults she finds the more threatened she must feel that her position of coloured showing queen at you yard is threaten by you & your baby. If you want to go out & have some fun then that is your choice, & her opinion counts for nowt. If nothing else your youngster will be getting valuable experience, even if the judges don't do spots.
 
freckles22uk said:
Hiya Sue,

Got my newletter last week, great as ever, and its been passed around here for everyone to read...lol

hope all is well over there....

Jen
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Thank you Jenny. Now we have too much rain... non stop torrential at the moment, horses looked really peed off this morning. Need to build an ark I think! Prefer cold, a little frost and no wind or rain......
Sue
 
Sorry Yorkshire Dumpling we have highjacked your post - I have sent you another PM about the APHC and registration - something new has just come to light! Sue :)
 
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