What breed do you think my dog is?

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I would like your opinions as I want to use him as a stud dog.
Will tell you his breeding later,. So fire away. He is approx. 14 inches high and a year old.
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somewhere between a jack russel, fox and a pointer.
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nice little dog,
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he would make a nice husband for my little jack but he lives too far away!
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Dad is Fox Terrier rough coated, Mum Parson Jack Russell.
He is all Jack Russell but the long legged type.
Flushes Pheasants out, chases rabbits and a great ratter!
I found many Jack Russells type doggies in Art works and old paintings that look just like him. ( see below)
True he may not be a traditional type, short legged variety but JR have only been recognised by the Kennel Club in fairly recent years I believe but he meets all the requirements mentioned below.
They were at one time a small terrier of indeterminate breeding that did the job and were easily carried under one arm.
The Jack Russell is a small, compact, athletic dog and looks like a less refined working Fox Terrier. White (at least 51%) with reddish black, tan, or brown markings, especially in the head and tail. The skull is flat between the ears, then tapering. The stop is defined, but not abrupt. The nose is black and the almond-shaped eyes are dark. The v-shaped ears fold forward. The Jack Russell has a flexible body and fairly small chest (easily spanned by the average man's hands) to enable him to go to ground after his prey. The docked tail is carried gaily and set fairly high.(docking banned now - hence tail) Comes in smooth, broken, and wire-haired varieties. The broken coat is a cross of rough and smooth coat - long body hair, a slightly fuzzy face and a smooth head. An Irish-type called Jack Russell Shortys have shorter legs than the English-type.
The Jack Russell Terrier is a perky, merry, devoted, and loving dog. Spirited and obedient, yet absolutely fearless. Careful and amusing, he enjoys games and playing with toys. Friendly and generally kind to children who have been taught not to tease or strike the dog. They are intelligent, yet wilful and determined. They can be slightly difficult to train and need a firm, experienced trainer. The Jack Russell can be aggressive with other dogs if not well trained and socialized. Some have killed or been killed in dog fights. Early socialization can help substantially moderate this trait. They have strong hunting instincts (stronger than your average terrier) and should not be trusted with other small animals. They like to chase and explore. Be careful not to let them off the lead unless they are very well-trained. Jack Russells like to bark and dig. They tend to get restless and destructive if not kept fruitfully occupied and well exercised. Jack Russells climb, which means they can climb over a fence, they also jump. A Jack that stands 12 inches high can easily jump five feet.
The Jack Russell Terrier was developed in 19th century England by a clergyman named Jack Russell. This feisty little terrier was used to hunt small game, particularly fox, by digging the quarry out of its den. Breeders have emphasized its working ability, so the standard is very broad, encompassing a wide range of accepted body types. On English hunts, the Jack Russell Terriers were supposed to be long-legged enough to keep up with the hounds.The energetic and playful Jack Russell makes a good family companion. Some of the Jack Russell's talents include: hunting, tracking, agility, and performing tricks.














Just got to find him some girlfriends now!
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He's not a jack russell, if his father is a fox terrier and his mother a jack russell then how can he be a JRT?

Sorry simple genetics tell me if you cross a TB with a ID its not a TB foal anymore.............

He does NOT meet the kennel club breed standard Im afraid. Sorry to be rude but why fill the world with more possibly unwanted monrel pups????
 
I am sorry but he is not all Jack Russell if Dad is a fox terrier. He does resemble the Parson Jack Russell, and the type of JR seen at KC shows, but I don't quite understand why you want to use him at stud. There are loads of JRTs about (I don't have a problem with that I like the breed), so its not as if they are an endangered breed. In my experience once you have used a dog at stud unless he is getting regular bitches he can become bitch mad, and this could spoil what is obviously a lovely little dog at the moment.
 
I'd have said he was a good idea - hybrid vigour is always good (there is a huge amount of evidence that reducing genetic diversity by line breeding compromises the immune system, amongst other things - see http://www.canine-genetics.com/)

so - IF both parents and all recent ancestors were healthy and free from over disease

- IF he has good straight legs and doesn't have slipping patellas

- IF he has a sane and trainable temperament (which is still essential in a good working dog - so they work to order and don't go off self-employed)

he has the potential to be a good stud dog

BUT

If you look on e-pupz or any of the other selling websites, you'll see that the dog population, like the human population, is exploding. And if you check out any of the rehoming/charity websites, you'll find the number of unwanted dogs is exploding too.

He's nice, but I'm not sure what the world needs right now is any more dogs until we can find sane, sorted, intelligent, thoughtful, compassionate homes for all the ones that are currently being bred.


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Echo the above, he's not all Jack Russell if his sire is a Wire Fox Terrier!

And also the Jack Russell is NOT accepted as a breed by the KC, the Parson Russell Terrier is and they're not the same thing. The Parson used to be called the Parson Jack Russell Terrier but they dropped the "Jack" because they didn't want to be associated with the original, traditional short legged Jack Russell that comes in so many shapes and colours that the KC wont recognise them as a breed. This means there's no breed standard to follow.
 
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Dad is Fox Terrier rough coated, Mum Parson Jack Russell.

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So he is a cross breed then............
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Art works and old paintings that look just like him.

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No they don't..........They aren't covered in spots for starters!!!

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White (at least 51%)

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Think yours fall a little short here too.....
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Well its all a bit of a mute point really as to weather he is a x
breed or not if you look back at the original dogs that formed the foundation stock for both Fox terrier and Jack Russell and Parson Terrier or Parson Jack Russell. He is certainly like some of those. And outcrossing bring in fresh genes which is a good thing - as a Biologist I am aware of the dangers of inbreeding and ending up with weak characteristics and bad temperaments.

He is a small, agile, healthy limbed athletic dog with a wonderfully trainable temperament, does dog agility with no difficulty, does somersaults, jumps through hoops and very obedient and he is only a year old.
We have had a lot of comments with people asking where can they get one like him.
the most gorgeous JR s we ever had were broken coated/smooth coated long/short legged mixture of little terriers that we bought from Malt House Farm in Swanley. The people who bred them ( I think they may have been Romanys) did not appear to have a specific breeding program, and all were working dogs, ratters and rabbiters. The male dog sires were all slighty different in height and coat but were all small whitish scruffy terrier types.
The area was flooded with their pups, as they were highly prized and commanded good money.
 
Its MOOT point dear

Go ahead breed your dog but I think you'll find you are just making this countries unwanted dog population worse which as a respoinsible dog owner - I wouldnt be happy about.

He is a lovely dog, but in my opinion not worth paying for.
 
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Its MOOT point dear

Go ahead breed your dog but I think you'll find you are just making this countries unwanted dog population worse which as a respoinsible dog owner - I wouldnt be happy about.

He is a lovely dog, but in my opinion not worth paying for.

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totally agree with what FWF said - was even going to say the Moot point bit too
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Also - mixing the genetics doesn't necessarily improve the gene pool (although it can)- It can also have the opposite effect - it's a risk you take - but then you know that as a scientist too
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Before you decide to use him at stud please have a look at Oldreds post above about the number of JRTs in the rescue kennel. I think most rescue kennels would agree that there are enough JR types about at the moment. On a slightly different point, although he is fully grown I am sure please do not do too much agility with him if he is only a year old. The reason the youngest age for competing is 18 months is to stop young dogs damaging themselves.
 
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It would rather seem that you don't. He is a nice enough dog, but nothing special enough to breed from IMO. I absolutely love Parsons Jack Russells, which are a traditional strain. This is a cute little crossbreed, but I don't like the tail or the spots. You did ask!
 
Outcrossing isn't the same as cross breeding, which IS what he is regardless of whether it's a ParsonxJack Russell or a Fox TerrierxParson Russell because the Parson and the Jack are not the same breed of dog!!!!!!!!!!!!

Outcrossing would be using a dog of the same breed but with totally different lines. For example; the litter of Hungarian Wirehaired Vizslas that we've just had. The sire shares the same line as the dam through the generation before on the great dam's side BUT the lines through the generation before on the sire's side is an outcross because it's made up of completle different dogs (same breed though) - that's what makes it line breeding not inbreeding.

Your dog isn't outcrossed he's cross bred - not the same. Also like Widget has said, an outcross can have the complete opposite effect, that's why we thought long and hard about breeding our two dogs together, because Mia's sire's side is all Hungarian (as in foriegn not just the breed of dog!) and imports we could have ended up with anything as it's not all well known. As it is we're lucky and have a cracking litter.

At the end of the day it's down to you whether you actually put him up for stud or not, but I wouldn't vouch for it with him not being a full breed.

There are other things to take into consideration too, such as how he's put together. He looks like a lovely dog, character wise but I for one don't think he's of breeding quality, sorry.
 
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Say no more eh? That doesn't make it a justifiable reason to breed the dog. And people asking where they can get one from doesn't mean you're going to find the fantastic home any pups deserve. When it comes down to it people change their minds once pups are on the ground and quite easily drop off of waiting lists etc.
 
How many JRTs are there that have no papers?.How many are what we would call a short legged JRT which some would call the traditional JRT?.Different thing altogether isn't it.Parsons Russell Terrier?...Thought a JRT was any small bred mainly white terrier?.

If this little dog was a good ratter and flushed rabbits and pheasants then what better can you get than that?..and it doesn't matter what it looks like really cos temperament is everything.and with this, ratting would be everything.

Actually, could someone please tell me what JRT is anyway.seeing as they aren't registered?
 
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Actually, could someone please tell me what JRT is anyway.seeing as they aren't registered?

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I have to say, that was the first thing that occurred to me. Unless things have changed, the UK KC do not recognise JRTs.
 
Standard type JRT:
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Parsons (ish) /JRT note longer through leg longer set neck etc etc
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Hasten to add neither of my dogs are pedigree nor perfect just an idea(obv in the case of the JRT)
Plenty of people have offered their bitches for my dog (black and tan) unfortunately they will almost suredly be dissapointed as he is getting cut. Fact is there are too many puppies around and unless i knew both owners were going to keep the pups I wouldnt do it.

The breed standard for Parsons is available on the kennel club website.
 
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Actually, could someone please tell me what JRT is anyway.seeing as they aren't registered?

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I have to say, that was the first thing that occurred to me. Unless things have changed, the UK KC do not recognise JRTs.

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They don't recognise what we traditionally think of as JRTs, but they do have a breed standard for the Parson Russell Terrier which is a distinct variant of the traditional JRT. I would use the term JRT to describe any small white, black and tan working bred terrier, and Parson Russell Terrier to indicate a dog purposely bred to the KC standards.

It's somewhat the same as the distinction between working and show cocker spaniels - they look almost nothing alike in reality as each is bred for purpose, but they both go by 'cocker spaniel'.

I have to agree that the dog in question is not the best example of either the traditional JRT or the Parson Russell terrier. He might well make a cracking working dog in which case you might find a breeding market with farmers etc. but it's unlikely. The 'proper' JRT which is mainly white with black and tan markings on the head only (sometimes tail too) is going to be far preferred.
 
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