What breed makes a good jumper?

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Hi all, looking into purchasing a youngster - in the next very years!!

I'm wandering what sort of breed makes a nice jumping horse? I'd like something a little heavier than a TB, but not to heavy.. something over 16hh (pref 16.2).

Something with a bit of a spark but not a highly strung nut job .... :D

Any one got any suggestion's? :)

All replies welcome and appreciated!
 

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I once looked at the breeding of Olympic DR & SJ horses-vast majority were KWPN,though it is a stud book with a lot of other Warmblood breeding (not just Dutch WB's) in it. Just a casual observation,not advice btw but I would be biased anyway,as mine is KWPN;)
 

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I did try and look up famous people and see what there horses were.. but tonight, i'm just hitting walls and cannot get anywhere!

I shall start looking at warmblood studs then and see what's around - a good start :). My OH swears the best warmblood's are dutch.. not sure HOW he's come to this conclusion..
 

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My OH swears the best warmblood's are dutch.. not sure HOW he's come to this conclusion..

mine too! Though mine came to this conclusion after watching a 3 day event on H&C last yeaar.. " you see, you see! all the german or dutch horses are doing the best. I don't know why you got your horses- should've got one of these" :rolleyes:
 

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Id x tb. I had one and he had a whacking great big jump on him, due to fact daddy was a grade a showjumper!
 

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To be honest I think it's largely individual... But... When you say 'nice jumping horse' do you mean a top class show jumper, or do you mean a nice tempered amateur jumping horse with a decent level of scope? If the former I'd look towards a warmblood, but I'd say look at Belgian WB's as well as German/Dutch (as previously mentioned). If the latter I would think about ID x TB (ISH).
 

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Mines a KWPN, excellent showjumper, with very easy natural paces. Much much flashier and 'nicer' than my ISH, but the WB is quirky and difficult to ride. The ISH does well at BN and Disco, but the WB has the talent to go alot further.... Once his brain has matured
 

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Don't know but you should see my miniature jump! not sure she could do it with you on her back though.:D

I've always fancied a miniature jumping pony ;) sadly, i'm neither a hobbit or "fine boned" enough to ride a miniature ;)..

I've had an ID X TB before, she had an awesome jump on her but she was a bloody mule of a mare.. several people since have said they are a difficult mix and they CAN be horrid up until they are 8? Saying all of this, it wouldn't necessarily put me off having another - providing i could find out history on the temps/abilities of both parents..

I'd like to eventually jump the bigger tracks, so i'd need something with the right atheism and ability for those bigger fences.. however - theres a lot of difference between i'd like and if i can (will have time)..

Perhaps i need to look at both warmbloods and ish/IDXTB mixes.. and then evaluate what i want (will hang on until next year at least..)

As to the poster who said that warmbloods are quirky/difficult to ride - my girl is warmblood X TB so i know what they are like :), she's got so much ability but you've got to ride her through her head.. otherwise it all goes to pot. :)

Thanks for all the replies.. has anyone had any experience with Holsteins? selle francias? type breeds?

STB :)
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My trainer has a selle francais -open team chases and is a complete dude!! I think temperament is key, you can have a horse with all the ability and talent in the world which is well bred etc but if it doesn’t want to work, then tbh its not much cop! Good luck with your search
 

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Thanks for that guys, i'll look into selle francais' too :D :), yes i agree Ellie_e - temp is the key, with the IDXTB i had, she had ALL the breeding, the height, looks, age and ability but she didn't want to do it.. shame really:(

I'll start "slowly" doing my research, don't want to get to gunned up if i've got to wait a year! :D
 

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I absolutely cannot fault my Belgian Warmblood as a jumping horse and would highly reccomend the breed. My lad isn't too chunky,he is extremely athletic and clever and really looks after me! Obviously it is down yo the individual horse but BWB's have been specifically bred for jumping. :)
 

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I've had an ID X TB before, she had an awesome jump on her but she was a bloody mule of a mare.. several people since have said they are a difficult mix and they CAN be horrid up until they are 8? Saying all of this, it wouldn't necessarily put me off having another - providing i could find out history on the temps/abilities of both parents..
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ID x TB is one of the most proven crosses in the world for both leisure riders and professionals!! The trainability and calmness of the Draught crossed with the athleticism of the TB.
I would never, ever say that it is a difficult mix. Obviously individual horses with quirks may result in a difficult mix, but in general the traditional pure ID crossed with the pure TB is a very proven solid combination.
 

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I have a Belgian WB and an ISH by Ricardo Z. Both have lots of jump but actually i think my ISH has more scope (she's only 5 so early days) and a better temperament for competition!
 

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My Aunt is a BD trainer and has a Gribaldi son (KWPN) and he is fantastic, jumps with ease, despite being dressage bred and moves like a dream.
She says that the warmbloods are so naturally balanced, hence why they can be more difficult to ride as most horses get out of balance by throwing themselves around but the better bred warmbloods tend not to get thrown off balance. It's excellent in terms of competing and athleticism, however, not so good when they are pratting about!
I have had ISH before and my current mare is a good moving one, but in my eye, you can't beat the movement of a warmblood. It's definately the way I will be going when I get my next horse!
Good luck with whichever way you decide to go!
 

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All the Continental books are "open" except for the Trakehners and, to some extent, the SF, so they all take blood from the other "big" books. While it's true that some books have traditionally had specific directions - BWP and Holstein have been mainly jumping oriented - it doesn't mean they are a "breed" in the way that say, Arabs or Fells are. This is true for ISH now, too, and AE and SHGB here. So you need to look at lines not registration for individual traits.

If you want stats go here: http://www.wbfsh.org/GB/Rankings/WBFSH rankings.aspx
 

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i have a 16.2hh anglo arab which is 3/4 tb 1/4 arab and hes a total dude! jump the moon any day of the week and loves it! sweetest nature and very showy but reliable as the day is long:D:D:D
 

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That's interesting to know TarrSteps. I was aware that the KWPN's had introduced some tb into the breed as my Mum has a 'modern' KWPN who is far lighter in bone but moves just as well as my Aunt's Gribaldi one.
Personally I love the warmbloods, however, I did get one dealer who told me never to touch the German Warmbloods, but I guess everybody has an opinion!
 

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A lot of it depends on the individual horse tbh!

I personally am not a fan of the more traditional heavier continental horses, as they (in my experience) can be a bit backward and have a piggy streak, though they can have all the jump in the world! However, the lighter bred "modern" stamps often have a lot of tb in, so have changed massively from the old stamp. IDxTB's are technically warmbloods, and I love irish horses for their rideability and brains, BUT, a lot are effectively continental horses with a dab of irish breeding thrown in, which should mean you can get excellent movement and the brain, perfect mix!!

Best thing is to keep an eye out at shows etc for horses you like, and do some stalking into breeding! That way, you are more likely to find types you like the look of, than just going on specific "breeds"
 

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Mickyjoe- i suppose sometimes it just takes on bad one to put you off them for life, however she didn't because despite her tricky attitude towards life AND work, she did have some crazy scope/ability!

I shall look into that stats a bit TarrSteps, can anyone suggest any studs/breeders to look at? :)

Sorry, ill in bed so i have time on my hands :rolleyes:

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That's interesting to know TarrSteps. I was aware that the KWPN's had introduced some tb into the breed as my Mum has a 'modern' KWPN who is far lighter in bone but moves just as well as my Aunt's Gribaldi one.
Personally I love the warmbloods, however, I did get one dealer who told me never to touch the German Warmbloods, but I guess everybody has an opinion!

I don't really understand how people get those opinions though. I have to say I wouldn't rush out to buy a "German warmblood" that wasn't registered with one of the big books because I'd wonder what was wrong that its parents didn't get approved!

The large scale introduction of refining TBs actually happened decades ago. TBs do get approved now but only handpicked ones and some that come through part bred horses that later get fully approved by doing testing. The Trakehners accept Arab and TB crosses but again, not every one that comes down the pipe. Trakehners, in their turn, are much more likely to be "refining influence" for the other books than straight TBs.

"Modern type" has come to be a general term, not really one denoting breeding per se. There are modern type horses with very little TB close up and heavier ones with TB much closer. And really, no one has "old type" horses any more. I vaguely remember some of the old guard and people would barely recognise even those horses as sport types now - many were not that many generations from the plough!
 

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"Modern type" has come to be a general term, not really one denoting breeding per se. There are modern type horses with very little TB close up and heavier ones with TB much closer. And really, no one has "old type" horses any more. I vaguely remember some of the old guard and people would barely recognise even those horses as sport types now - many were not that many generations from the plough!

Totally agree with this. I think the breed changes as our choice of breeding gets better. I think the ideal thing is to find a couple of lines that you like and go in search of them.

I'll probably be looking myself around this time next year, so will also be looking into the bloodlines, which I'm guessing is no easy feat!
 
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