What breed makes a good jumper?

[MandyMoo]

I would say I prefer two types; warmbloods and ISH/IDxTB - they both are athletic, however the warmbloods tend to be quirkier in my experience, where as the irish seem to be a bit more level headed - depends what type of temperament you want and what level of competition you're aiming at

happy horse hunting!!

 

[ecrozier]

Or you can go for a mixture! Mine is by a kwpn stallion out of an ISH mare, also know another similarly bred and both are very nice stamp of sports horse with plenty of ability and nice temperament. Interestingly my boy's mum is now back in foal to another kwpn. Between now and when he was foaled she had a filly by an ID stallion so she would be more traditional ISH breeding but owner who is a SJ'er has gone back to kwpn this time.

 

[SpottyTB]

Has anyone heard of the stallion Twist de la Roque?? He is bay and white and is a Selle francias X warmblood (apparently)?

Just seen a Conniemara X (that above stallion) for sale... it's pretty, looks fairly well put together, mum is 15hh and dad is 17.2hh.. so he should make 16.2 ish apparently.. but he is very hairy - so not sure where he's got the bone thickness and hair from (he's pretty cheap too.. in the hundreds).

STB

 

[tristar]

the best breed of jumper is the one that gets over the jumps clean, that you like riding and can get on with, i would always ride a potential competition horse before buying to see if it and you fit 'together'

i think the best moving horses are part bred spanish, for the best balance, thoroughbreds, the supreme athlete, and irish horses, for freedom and willingness, i would never wish to ride or own a warmblood, thank you!

 

[TarrSteps]

Out of curiosity, if warmbloods are all so awful and difficult why do they pretty much dominate showjumping, not to mention dressage, now and have done for decades? And why have the ISH taken so many in? Confused. . .

 

[ellie_e]

Out of curiosity, if warmbloods are all so awful and difficult why do they pretty much dominate showjumping, not to mention dressage, now and have done for decades? And why have the ISH taken so many in? Confused. . .

EXACTLY!!!!!
I love my quirky warmblood, I would never be without him even though at times he frustrates the hell out of me, 'the best ones are always quirky' so a very well known trainer tells me!

 

[ecrozier]

Out of curiosity, if warmbloods are all so awful and difficult why do they pretty much dominate showjumping, not to mention dressage, now and have done for decades? And why have the ISH taken so many in? Confused. . .

Well said Tarrsteps!! Surely everything apart from native ponies, TBs and Arabs and PROPER draft horses are all warmbloods anyway?!

 

[Rollin]

Cleveland BayxTB - if you can find one.

 

[vam]

This is my boy's sire
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/quantum3
as you can see he has a fairly large dose of Selle Francias on the that side but more Holsteiner on his Dam's, he is registered Holsteiner but is often mistaken as looking Irish
He is as piggy as he is talented, dumb as he is smart, he finds some thing so easy and others very hard, lots of scope but not convinced he has the brain to use it. I couldnt tell you if it was a breed trait or just him.
Would i get another like him? prob not if i could help it, I'd like one with a brain thanks. That said he is very honest, easy to do and a bit of a good egg.
I don't blame the breed and would look at Holsteiners again, i would look at something that was crossed with a Jack Russell if it had the attitude there is no point buying a horse with all the breeding if it doesn't want to do the job.
I would start with looking at IDxTB, ISH, most warmblood types but i think it will depend on what you click with in the end.

 

[ecrozier]

I don't blame the breed and would look at Holsteiners again, i would look at something that was crossed with a Jack Russell if it had the attitude there is no point buying a horse with all the breeding if it doesn't want to do the job.

This ^^^ totally. If I am in the unfortunate position of having to go horse shopping again ever, I will be looking for something around 16hh-16.2hh, probably a gelding, with a sane temprament for an amateur to ride but enough ability to go up a few levels in either BD or BS depending how I feel at the time Could be that it might be warmblood, might be ISH or might be mixture of the two - don't think it overly matters to be fair.

 

[ellie_e]

This is my boy's sire
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/quantum3
as you can see he has a fairly large dose of Selle Francias on the that side but more Holsteiner on his Dam's, he is registered Holsteiner but is often mistaken as looking Irish.

hmmmm interesting....
Ive just looked at my boys Sire, and he has alot of selle f on his dams side, and all the sire's side is holstein, yet my horse is classed as a KWPN http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/chicos+boy

 

[TarrSteps]

Some good ones are quirky, in fact most are not. Top class horses have to put up with a lot - some of the warmups etc at top shows are eye popping. And many horses get trickier as they get more miles and know their jobs., you can't really judge fit, experienced horses in the ring. Most are pretty straightforward otherwise.

A horse that's athletic and sensitive isn't quirky. It may not be fit for every purpose but it's exactly what it should be for sport.

 

[vam]

hmmmm interesting....
Ive just looked at my boys Sire, and he has alot of selle f on his dams side, and all the sire's side is holstein, yet my horse is classed as a KWPN http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/chicos+boy

It is once you look into it.
I didnt have a clue about breeding before i got him, still dont really but my friend was very excited about his breeding when i told her who he was by and she loooked it up. It can be helpful if you know what your looking at, i dont and i really didnt realise how much Selle Francias he had. I still dont know if that is a good thing, bad thing or doesnt make any odds. In all fairness it prob the latter.
Im not sure how relevant breed traits are any more either, it more telling who the dam and sire are now i think as stud books seem to over lap so much.

In all honestly i got him because he jumped even with me on him. Cant ask for much more

 

[Mickyjoe]

It is once you look into it.
I didnt have a clue about breeding before i got him, still dont really but my friend was very excited about his breeding when i told her who he was by and she loooked it up. It can be helpful if you know what your looking at, i dont and i really didnt realise how much Selle Francias he had. I still dont know if that is a good thing, bad thing or doesnt make any odds. In all fairness it prob the latter.
Im not sure how relevant breed traits are any more either, it more telling who the dam and sire are now i think as stud books seem to over lap so much.

In all honestly i got him because he jumped even with me on him. Cant ask for much more

Well if you look back along - he's got the TB influence too. Cottage Son, Furioso, Foxhunter.

William Micklem has written some very interesting articles on the influence of the TB in modern day warmbloods.... Makes for fascinating reading.

http://www.independent.ie/farming/news-features/thoroughbreds-point-to-success-2854720.html

http://www.horseplay.ie/news/riding...even-mark-todd-can-be-led-astray-part-two.asp

 

[ellie_e]

Well if you look back along - he's got the TB influence too. Cottage Son, Furioso, Foxhunter.

William Micklem has written some very interesting articles on the influence of the TB in modern day warmbloods.... Makes for fascinating reading.

http://www.independent.ie/farming/news-features/thoroughbreds-point-to-success-2854720.html

http://www.horseplay.ie/news/riding...even-mark-todd-can-be-led-astray-part-two.asp

Thanks for this, in the first article he mentions Ladykiller, Zu has him on his sire's side, didnt realise he was TB!!

 

[Gusbear]

I've got an Irish Draft x 1/4 Clevaland bay x 1/4 TB. I'm told he is bred to jump (apparently he has full siblings that have competed in the Olympics in showjumping). I'm yet to try him over anything more than a trotting pole as yet (partly due to my lack of confidence and inexperience and also as he is too young at 5 years old as is still growing and green in his flatwork). If he can jump as welll as he bucks then I think he'll do very well

 

[TarrSteps]

Ladykiller is in many bloodlines but quite often further back than the 3 or 4 generations people list for ads etc and obviously beyond the 2x on comp results.

 

[tristar]

gusbear, you are very sensible for realising that your horse is too young to put pressure on, if he was a warmblood he would probably have been broken at 2 /12 years, loose jumped over 5'0 and been competing since 4.

tarrsteps, i did'nt say warmbloods are AWFUL! even if they dominate dressage, i certainly don't enjoy watching a most of them, the best for me is feugo, pre, but then of course predudice is rife in 'Competition Dressage' which incidently i don't think is that great.

 

[MadisonBelle]

Out of curiosity, if warmbloods are all so awful and difficult why do they pretty much dominate showjumping, not to mention dressage, now and have done for decades? And why have the ISH taken so many in? Confused. . .

I am on my 3rd warmblood (all been mares too) and all have been STARS!

Latest is a Holstein, by Caretino and has scope to burn. I am just an amateur and she is by far the easiest horse ever! She is 6 and I've had her since she was 4. Hardly ever faults. Only started jumped late last year as she came to me in very poor condition and last week we were jumping 1:10 with ease at home..... Well she was.....quite frankly I was bricking it but know my RI would never put anything up he didn't think we could manage......

 

[lisab]

Warmblood for me too. Never had one before but wouldn't have anything else now. Yes he's naughty and spooky and obnoxious at times. But he moves beautifully and jumps fab. He is registered BWB but all but his dam are Hanoverian on sire's side and Holsteiner on dam's side so really he's German not Belgian. Very confusing. But I do like ISH too as long as they're not too chunky and no great big heads!

 

[LEC]

Most ISH are warmbloods? Very confused by this belief that they are still mainly ID x TB!!

As for best breed it all comes down to parents, brain and conformation IMO.

 

[Leg_end]

Have to say my WB is the easiest horse I've ever had! I was 100% TB/ISH before but I don't think you can beat a good WB TBH.

 

[Dukey]

Ok, from my own experience I have seen some good warmbloods with lovely paces and jump. But (and its a big but) I have seen many who are completely mad. Currently have two on my yard whose owners paid big £ for and both are scared of their own shadow! But like all breeds you get some good and some bad...
My old boy was ISH and at 5 had jumped out of our outdoor manege (6 foot) fence! He was a great eventer got up to novice level but not speedy enough for intermediate. He also did Medium level dressage.
Last year I brought a welsh DxTB who's now 6 (and only had 1 year in 'proper' work) and jumping 1.10 at home and 90-1m in comps. He's going to try his first BE in september. He has HUGE scope, is very quick with his legs, lovely paces and a quick leaner. But I am bias and like I said before you get good 'uns and bad 'uns
I would say horse hunt with an open mind and pay more attention to the horses attitude, natural ability and conformation.

 

[Copperpot]

Mine is 7/8th tb and 1/8 RID. Does that make him a warm blood?? Passport says ISH.

 

[Mithras]

I must admit to a fondness for the power jumper type of German warmblood. I'm lucky enough to have one, although he has been through a lot of homes and isn't the easiest ride, sitting on all that power makes you feel very safe. I also have a just turned 5 ID x TB, which is jumping 1.10 at home easily enough and has already won a British Novice, which is ok I suppose. But I still prefer a big powerful German horse - but they are mega expensive!

Not quite so keen on the narrow type of Dutch warmbloods, the ones with more substance I like.

If looking for another one, I'd quite like to find something with a bit of Cleveland Bay or Gelderlander in it. I think these are incredibly underrated breeds for jumping, in fact I suspect my German horse, has quite a bit of these breeds in them.

 

[Rambo]

Most horses these days are 'warmbloods' of some sort.

For jumping, KWPN, Holstein, Oldenberg, Belgian, ISH...look at the horse rather than the studbook though.

 

[StormyGale]

Hi I think it totally cones down to individual personality and attitude I've had several wbs nice jumps some attitudes better than others but not have a tb al beit he looks like an ish as he's very stocky and he jumps the moon I got him as I had to sell my showjumper and he was an ottb I thought I'd just have some fun but he's turned out amazing and so intelligent and willing I think it depends on the brain as any breed can make a good jumper but if they don't have.the brain for it it doesn't matter how much talent they have . Happy horse hunting though

 

[tristar]

not suggesting they are all nervous, but, i bought a colt by ramiro some years back as a potential stallion, he also was 'scared of his own shadow' i could not breed from him because i could'nt get to the bottom of it, it was more than the normal nervous, and i would have thought with his breeding he would have been quite bold, however a belgian breeder bought him and he competed very successfully.